ImTheCaptain
I disagree with you
big league overestimation of the #outrage of pardons/firings going on over here
Really? I don't think the right to pardon was ever intended as a means of self-protection vs. justice.
If that happens, I sure as heck hope there's a ton of outrage.
One thing a pardon does is eliminate the ability to use the 5th Amendment in many cases. If you have already been pardoned, you can't truly incriminate yourself according to most legal experts. If Trump pardons Flynn and/or others it could be a major double whammy. First, it will be a hugely negative political move. He is already underwater in approval, this would leave him with only the hardest of the hard core. Secondly, if the people he pardons can't take the fifth and without going to jail for perjury or contempt, they will talk.
i don't either, but I don't think it'll translate into massive seats in 2018 or 2020.
Unless Trump goes on a spree of dozens of pardons of anyone who is remotely related to the Russia probe, pardons won't even be an issue in the 2018 midterms. Anyone who would find the pardons to be an egregious overreach of presidential power are already going to vote Democrat, and anyone who thinks Trump is allowed to do whatever he wants because he's President were already going to vote Republican. There is next to no chance that there is a significant bloc of voters that will think, "Well I was leaning toward voting Pub, but by golly Trump pardoning Manafort was just a step too far for me!"
There's no need to overthink it in 2018. The Republicans have given Democratic campaigns every bullet they need to load in their advertising guns. They tried to take health care away from millions, and when they failed that, they tried to sneak taking health care away from millions into the tax bill. They are likely going to give billionaires a tax break at the expense of the middle class while doing what they excoriated Democrats for doing all of Obama's presidency by raising the deficit. They supported a child molester for the Senate, equivocated peaceful liberal protestors with neo-Nazis, and in general have done everything possible to alienate every American that is not a white male. Pardons are a non-issue unless Trump tries to pardon himself (unlikely). Don't try to make it one.
Fair enough, though I think the timing of the pardons could whip up enthusiasm among the Democrats that were going to vote against him/Pubs anyway.
Unless Trump goes on a spree of dozens of pardons of anyone who is remotely related to the Russia probe, pardons won't even be an issue in the 2018 midterms. Anyone who would find the pardons to be an egregious overreach of presidential power are already going to vote Democrat, and anyone who thinks Trump is allowed to do whatever he wants because he's President were already going to vote Republican. There is next to no chance that there is a significant bloc of voters that will think, "Well I was leaning toward voting Pub, but by golly Trump pardoning Manafort was just a step too far for me!"
There's no need to overthink it in 2018. The Republicans have given Democratic campaigns every bullet they need to load in their advertising guns. They tried to take health care away from millions, and when they failed that, they tried to sneak taking health care away from millions into the tax bill. They are likely going to give billionaires a tax break at the expense of the middle class while doing what they excoriated Democrats for doing all of Obama's presidency by raising the deficit. They supported a child molester for the Senate, equivocated peaceful liberal protestors with neo-Nazis, and in general have done everything possible to alienate every American that is not a white male. Pardons are a non-issue unless Trump tries to pardon himself (unlikely). Don't try to make it one.
Oh I think it will. But Democrats shouldn't run on that.
Listening to Rep Gaetz on MSNBC...Jesus Christ, what has happened to us?
Rep.Jim Jordan just went full bat-shit crazy on CNN.