RChildress107
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Does the term "context" ring a bell?
It’s not allowed. Conference wins in a vacuum are all that matters.
Does the term "context" ring a bell?
If Manning goes on the road and beats State and beats the shit out of Duke we all good.That’s not a knock on Clawson btw. I’m just honestly shocked this thread went 8 pages. I’m ambivalent as to how LOWF we should judge Wake football, but I do believe we should be consistent.
If we are the type of school that gets excited about our football coach when he makes the college football equivalent of the CBI/NIT three years in a row, we don’t also get to be a school that thinks a few historically competitive years outweighs the best three year stretch our program has ever seen.
Clawson needs to average 9 wins and 6 conference wins a year for the next three years in order to surpass Grobe through 8 seasons. Until he does either of those things once, this thread is stupid.
It’s not allowed. Conference wins in a vacuum are all that matters.
Clawson has hired six coordinators at Wake.
Elko - Outstanding
Sawvel - Fired midseason
Ruggerio - Pretty Good
Schier - Released after three seasons
Lineburg - Doing OK so far.
Hemphill - Too soon to tell, but looking good.
So Clawson has hired six coordinators in his five years at Wake. Two he fired. One moved on to much bigger and better positions.
A stellar track record in my mind doesn't include firing 1/3 because of performance or other issues.
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@DoveMensCare is all that matters
That's ludicrous considering the state of the program Clawson inherited from Grobe.
The program was losing, just like the 2-9 team Grobe inherited. Are you talking about the players?
Kevin Johnson 1st round NFL draft pick
Marquel Lee 5th round NFL draft pick
Duke Ejiofor - 6th round NFL draft pick
Brandon Chubb - NFL practice squad
Bud Noel - NFL practice squad
Both Mike Weaver and Alex Kinal were top 3 players statistically as a kicker and punter at Wake and 4 year starters. Not to mention a very deep Dline, many of whom started on 2 of the three bowl games Wake won.
Wide receiver and oline were thin. Although I remember being excited about Tyree Harris, Brandon Terry, Jared Crump, Cortez Lewis, and Jonathan Williams. They didn't pan out. There wasn't much at rb, which was uncharacteristic of Grobe and his time at wake. We had many good to great RBs under Grobe. Lobo recruited and coached a lot of the oline. Our biggest issues were on offensive playcalling. Grobe's fault for not making a change sooner there, and probably the biggest black mark against him.
On Offense he inherited John Wolford, the best QB wake has ever had statistically in 2 seasons. And Cam Serigne, owns every TE record at Wake Forest and some ACC records.
The next three years are all Clawson's guys. The statute of limitations on Grobe's guys is over, even though he was handed a VERY good and deep defense. and two generational offensive players. This year was all Clawson players and he went 6-6 and 3-5 in the ACC. He had to play 2 QBs who hadn't seen a college snap because the guy Grobe gave him was a 4 year starter.
I don't buy that Grobe left him nothing. Grobe's coaches and Grobe weren't getting enough out the the players anymore. They were fired. Clawson should be here. But I don't understand the animosity, specifically from you, toward Grobe.
Grobe did not attract good assistants when 75% of the assistants he brought with him left in his first 7 years. That is on Grobe. But he continued to recruit, continued to find special players, and left Clawson something to build with.
If Manning goes on the road and beats State and beats the shit out of Duke we all good.
That's ludicrous considering the state of the program Clawson inherited from Grobe.
I've posted this here before, but you seem to give Grobe a lot of credit for John Wolford. Maybe Grobe recognized him and got on him, but I asked Wolford before starting the season about his recruiting story and he said unreservedly that Grobe and his staff had gotten "lazy," and that's why ECU was in the picture. So Wolford seems just as much Clawson's recruit as Grobe's. Thus the "Clawson inherited Wolford from Grobe" narrative is not totally accurate.
I agree. Clawson inherited a better program and still has that far to go to catch him. I actually think he could do it if we stay healthy and the schedule breaks the right way (neither of which has happened the past two years) but think we should wait until he actually does it before crowning him the GOAT at Wake.
If Clawson left today, it’s Grobe — though Clawson’s successor would inherit the better program.
My gut is it ends up being Clawson.
Let me get this straight. You’re saying clawson inherited a better program than Grobe?
Program is a little nebulous, I could see the argument Clawson inherited a better one. But Grobe certainly had more talent to work with right away, and even then we only had one bowl win to show from it in his first five years -- two less than DC