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How many more school shootings before the NRA allows common sense?

Pretty sick that you're bastardizing a statistic about kids getting shot just to enhance your political stance with a stronger number
 
these threads are pointless. we're all slaves to the NRA, gun nuts and old people.

all you can do is hug your kids
 
Screamindemon3 said:
When an experiment goes wrong in the chem lab and a beaker blows up are we classifying that as a bombing? Jesus it's literally the action that's happening my godddd
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well, that equipment is supposed to be on a school campus.
 
scooter84 said:
The point is, if you are trying to make the case that there are way too many school shootings (which is clearly a true point), why include things in the numbers which clearly are not "school shootings". All it does is give folks who desire to detract from the main issue the chance to do just that by poking those holes. If you use accurate and relevant statistics they don't have that opportunity.

And, when it is pointed out that the statistics you are using are not correct, it hurts the credibility of everything else you are saying.
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The only people who are saying this are trying to minimize the problem of school shootings. Everyone else is outraged about the problem.
 
BarcaDeac said:
when a gun is shot at a school, it is a school shooting. don't be obtuse.
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No it's not, and you know it. A school shooting, as everyone who is discussing the issue understands, is when someone goes to or into a school and shoots people on purpose. If you include anything else in the statistics (suicides without threatening anyone else, accidents, etc.) then you are being dishonest and hurting your own argument.

With all the "real" school shootings, why the need to inflate the statistics?
 
BarcaDeac said:
well, that equipment is supposed to be on a school campus.
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Right. If a beaker blows up, that's an accident. If a bullet goes through the window of school, that's not an accident. It's a problem that someone is shooting near a school.
 
PhDeac said:
The only people who are saying this are trying to minimize the problem of school shootings. Everyone else is outraged about the problem.
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You're wrong here. I am outraged about the problem but I also really hate inflated statistics and outright lies. Just use the real stats - it shouldn't be hard to be honest and correct.
 
scooter84 said:
You're wrong here. I am outraged about the problem but I also really hate inflated statistics and outright lies. Just use the real stats - it shouldn't be hard to be honest and correct.
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PhDeac said:
Right. If a beaker blows up, that's an accident. If a bullet goes through the window of school, that's not an accident. It's a problem that someone is shooting near a school.
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Maybe, but it is not the problem we are talking about.
 
scooter84 said:
No it's not, and you know it. A school shooting, as everyone who is discussing the issue understands, is when someone goes to or into a school and shoots people on purpose. If you include anything else in the statistics (suicides without threatening anyone else, accidents, etc.) then you are being dishonest and hurting your own argument.

With all the "real" school shootings, why the need to inflate the statistics?
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Just take a quick step back and think about the circular argument you are making here. You claim to support gun control, but are attacking the messengers because even though you agree with them, you don't like the way in which they presented the message. You claim it will "give folks who desire to detract from the main issue the chance to do just that by poking those holes," which is EXACTLY what you are doing, detracting from the main issue.

I'm glad you brought up suicides though, because gun control and its subsequent impact on suicides is even more important than these school shootings. They are linked, and we should be working to fix both.
 
I am politically independent. I try to break things down to the bare minimum and I don't mind changing my point of view if I am shown a different way to view something that makes sense to me. What if tomorrow there were magically 0 guns left in the United States except for active military or active police (100% hypothetical). Now, you have a kid that has grown up and has lost both parents as the kid did in Florida. He is socially awkward and doesn't seem to fit in. He was living with a friend and really had no family to speak of. He may or may not have been diagnosed as having a mental illness but many classmates have said they had predicted this may happen. He had been suspended from school and had broken up with his girlfriend earlier. Now, lets say this kid had 100% determined that he is going to kill as many people as he can. He doesn't have access to any guns so he drives to campus and waits until school let's out. He sits at the bus line and waits until the most people are in a confined area and immediately drives through the crowd attempting to kill as many people as possible and continues to drive them down throughout the parking lot. he ultimately kills 20 to 30 people? Ultimately if your kid has died, you may not care if it was by a mentally ill person in a pickup truck or a mentally ill person with a gun. Now, I agree when someone says gun laws may not stop all the killing but at least we're doing something to try and stop it and not sitting by idle watching it happen. I also agree that making guns less available would be better that having free access to them. However, in the above scenario you are as dead as the kids are in Florida. I don't know that if guns with multi round magazines weren't as available it would reduce the number of murders but once someone crosses the threshold to murder then they are not going to be deterred if that option is gone. So, if taking away guns isn't going to eliminate the problem then let's skip to something more effective. A person that is passionate about killing that has one option taken away (guns) will go to the next available option (vehicle, bomb, etc.). I would say more kids have access to vehicles than guns and I think I would be correct. Now we shift the prevention of violence to barriers around the schools and gates to stop all the vehicular crime taking place at schools or ballgames. I don't know where the prevention of the object used as a weapon becomes a waste of time and where finding out why someone wants to use a weapon becomes the best answer? The root problem I believe is a breakdown of the family unit and a desensitizing of human life. Society is much different today and I believe the excess of resources and quality of life in America has transformed into a detriment to kids instead of a benefit. In closing, what happens when you remove one option and then another becomes the main choice of weapon. Do you shift focus to prevention of the next weapon or stop and try to repair what is causing the motive?
 
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You don’t think family units are breaking down other places in the world? They don’t have this problem.

Also, I would literally be willing to give my life for guns to have the same cost of access as cars. Make an insurance, registration, and licensure process like that for guns please.
 
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