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15 As evening approached, jhmd came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

17 “I have here only five loaves of bread and two fish, which I earned through hard work” jhmd answered.

18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to jhmd, and jhmd instead invested them, all the while complaining that Jesus should teach the multitudes to feed themselves, instead of using jhmd's own hard earned loaves and fish. 20 after the hungry multitudes had dispersed, jhmd took to facebook, complaining that Jesus's socialist actions would drive Judea to ruin.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
15 As evening approached, jhmd came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

17 “I have here only five loaves of bread and two fish, which I earned through hard work” jhmd answered.

18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to jhmd, and jhmd instead invested them, all the while complaining that Jesus should teach the multitudes to feed themselves, instead of using jhmd's own hard earned loaves and fish. 20 after the hungry multitudes had dispersed, jhmd took to facebook, complaining that Jesus's socialist actions would drive Judea to ruin.
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This is excellent work.

I often have time distinguishing between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and modern day Democrats. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” I'm sure he only meant after viability.

Exodus 21:22-23 states, “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life . . . " Uh, well, you see Padre, that's not a "child", per se; more like a lifeless clump of tissues. With a heartbeat. Got it? No?....

2 Timothy 1:7 "For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control." Old bootstraps Yahweh, up to his old tricks.

Proverbs 10:21 "The lips of the righteous feed many, but fools die for lack of sense." How 'bout that?

Proverbs 13:14-16, "The teaching of the wise is a fountain of life, that one may turn away from the snares of death. Good sense wins favor, but the way of the treacherous is their ruin. In everything the prudent acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly." Indeed.

I don't pretend to speak for the Lamb myself, but it's hard to honor your father and your mother when dad's got somewhere else to be. Kudos to persisting in the vanity that only the government can provide charity. That seems like an important part of the story for you guys.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Kudos to persisting in the vanity that only the government can provide charity. That seems like an important part of the story for you guys.
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I commend you also for persisting in your selective defense of life in utero. It must be so sad for conservative doctors and nurses to see these miracles of life transform into mistakes and burdens on the state at birth. Do you and bkf wait for poor black women to leave the hospital before you righteously shame them, or are you waiting in the delivery room?
 
SHAME. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.
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Pro-life should equal pro-clean drinking water.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
I commend you also for persisting in your selective defense of life in utero. It must be so sad for conservative doctors and nurses to see these miracles of life transform into mistakes and burdens on the state at birth. Do you and bkf wait for poor black women to leave the hospital before you righteously shame them, or are you waiting in the delivery room?
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So in your version of events, now that we've passed the loaves and fishes around, who is there to guide the children and raise them with the wisdom the Bible spends so much time on? You think the Lamb would suffer the "Oh, don't sweat it. These are Caesar's children now. Caesar will provide for and teach them. "Father" is so B.C....."

My guess is that someone who cares about the children understands that there is work to do after they have been fed.

My guess is that he wouldn't share your blind faith in government. As I understand it, he had a bad experience with government late in his life.
 
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Yeah definitely no doubt Jesus was a radical gun fanatic in favor of unlimited spending by Wall Street.
 
Wakeforest22890 said:
Yeah definitely no doubt Jesus was a radical gun fanatic in favor of unlimited spending by Wall Street.
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You sure are using a strong strawman for someone who loves to chastise the other side of the aisle for using them. I wait with bated breath to hear how yours really isn't one though.
 
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So in your version of events, now that we've passed the loaves and fishes around, who is there to guide the children and raise them with the wisdom the Bible spends so much time on? You think the Lamb would suffer the "Oh, don't sweat it. These are Caesar's children now. Caesar will provide for and teach them. "Father" is so B.C....."

My guess is that someone who cares about the children understands that there is work to do after they have been fed.

My guess is that he wouldn't share your blind faith in government. As I understand it, he had a bad experience with government late in his life.
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Only one of us here expects a loaf of bread to substitute as a parent, which is why only one of us says that giving out loaves of bread has been a failing policy for 50 years.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Only one of us here expects a loaf of bread to substitute as a parent, which is why only one of us says that giving out loaves of bread has been a failing policy for 50 years.
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I agree with this, but you don't realize you are that one. None of your policy positions have any countervailing position.
 
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You sure are using a strong strawman for someone who loves to chastise the other side of the aisle for using them. I wait with bated breath to hear how yours really isn't one though.
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Mine was just a joke about MDMH/JHMD going into an analysis of the Jesus' interactions with government. I have no interest whatsoever in trying to figure out what Jesus did or did not value literally two thousand years ago. It should have no impact at all on anything period in 2016, but certainly shouldn't have any impact on who we elect to government.
 
jhmd2000 said:
I agree with this, but you don't realize you are that one. None of your policy positions have any countervailing position.
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No. We do not share your obsession with traditional nuclear households. When I advocate or support assistance policy, it is not with the goal that mothers and fathers will stay together. You label these programs as failures based on your own personal rubric, where as I just see them as necessary economic safety nets with variable success.

So what's your personal success rate on convincing or forcing "family units" to stay together? You don't seem to think the government is capable of feeding or sheltering people, so how and why do you think the government is going to improve relationships?
 
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DG3 said:
You sure are using a strong strawman for someone who loves to chastise the other side of the aisle for using them. I wait with bated breath to hear how yours really isn't one though.
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jesus = not cool with wealth or money changers= fact.
 
Deacon923 said:
Chuck Marohn on bootstrapping and how the modern American development pattern and zoning laws have made some kinds of bootstrapping impossible. http://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2016/2/3/bootstrapping?utm_content=buffere10ac&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Over-simplistic, but some good points. Lots of zoning codes and small business restrictions -- e.g. food carts -- hurt a lot of microenterprises. Creates a lot of off-the-books operations in poor neighborhoods -- car repairs, daycare, food preparation, etc.
 
i wouldn't by any means say that zoning is the only or primary cause of income inequality or decreased mobility or whatever, but it's an interesting point. For all of human history until like 1850 or so you worked where you lived and you lived with your work. Since then, and most especially in America, we've developed this ironclad spatial separation between home and work, and its expected and demanded by law that people live far away from where they work. That has real impacts, most noticeably the fact that owning a car is almost a prerequisite for meaningful participation in the workforce in 99.9%* of the US. Makes entrepreneurship that much harder.




*not intended as an actual scientific number.
 
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