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Is Atheism Irrational?

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Jesus and the Shroud of Turin [BEST FILM ON SHROUD EVER PRODUCED] The Resurrection of Jesus Christ. -- ^this is how it is titled.

Cannot get it translated from Youtube. A remarkable look at the Science behind the Shroud. A must see for any open mind and whatever questions one has (Carbon 14/ textiles, etc.,) are covered by some of the finest scientists alive. To a person they expected to view the Shroud,quickly determine it a fraud,and then move along.

Literally tens of thousands of hours have been spent proving definitively what the Shroud is Not. Science cannot prove the Shroud's authenticity but it can tell us what it is not.

The first point to address is the Carbon 14 test and why it is now believed to have been flawed. Don't take anyone's word for it...but do consider that the man who invented the modern method for Carbon dating states his belief that the sample tested did not produce an accurate reading. He is in the film. He and other researchers from around the world -- researchers from Los Alamos, Duke, Oxford, Stanford as well as Rabbi's, art historians and a catholic theologian.

It is,imho,the most fascinating piece of archaeology known. Watch the film with an open mind...not to the Shroud,but instead toward the heavily peer reviewed scientists and their commentaries.

Enjoy
 
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Lectro said:
Jesus and the Shroud of Turin [BEST FILM ON SHROUD EVER PRODUCED] The Resurrection of Jesus Christ. -- ^this is how it is titled.

Cannot get it translated from Youtube. A remarkable look at the Science behind the Shroud. A must see for any open mind and whatever questions one has (Carbon 14/ textiles, etc.,) are covered by some of the finest scientists alive. To a person they expected to view the Shroud,quickly determine it a fraud,and then move along.

Literally tens of thousands of hours have been spent proving definitively what the Shroud is Not. Science cannot prove the Shroud's authenticity but it can tell us what it is not.

The first point to address is the Carbon 14 test and why it is now believed to have been flawed. Don't take anyone's word for it...but do consider that the man who invented the modern method for Carbon dating states his belief that the sample tested did not produce an accurate reading. He is in the film. He and other researchers from around the world -- researchers from Los Alamos, Duke, Oxford, Stanford as well as Rabbi's, art historians and a catholic theologian.

It is,imho,the most fascinating piece of archaeology known. Watch the film with an open mind...not to the Shroud, but instead toward the heavily peer reviewed scientists and their commentaries.

Enjoy
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*chuckle*
 
There is a wonderful article, “A Scientific Approach to Image Formation of the Shroud (first part)” (second part) by Paul Di Lazzaro.

http://www.uccronline.it/2011/10/20...rmazione-dellimmagine-della-sindone-i°-parte/

Google provides translation.

Here is the introductory biographical sketch because it warrants attention:

With this article we’ll start the collaboration with Paul Di Lazzaro , a physicist and director of research at the Research Centre ENEA Frascati, winner of the Italian Physical Society in 1990 and 2008 Award of Excellence in Enea. And ‘the author of over 195 articles published in international journals and 6 patents for industrial inventions. Member of several international committees, is currently considered one of the leading European experts in the field of high power laser systems and their applications in micro-electronics, plasma generation, selective and superficial cleaning materials, biology, light-matter interaction. Since 2005 he has been interested in scientific studies on the image on the Shroud of Turin, coordinating different experiments in coloring-like shroud of linen fabrics irradiated with excimer lasers, and working as Chairman of the International Workshop on the approach to scientific images acheropite held at the Center ENEA Frascati Research 4 to 6 May 2010. By Dr. Lazarus has made ​​available to answer any questions that may be posted in the comments below the article.
 
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ImTheCaptain said:
hey, i'm glad you have hobbies
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Absolutely! Does anything,besides the glory years of Wake hoops,interest you in the past?

Are you even remotely piqued by, say, the excavations at Gobekli Tepe? An enormous site which both dwarfs/dwarves and out dates the ruins at Stonehenge or Easter Island by at least 8,000 years? A potentially far reaching find predating the Fertile Crescent and Sumerian-Akkadian "cradle of Civilization" by some 6,500 years?

Its not like I am suggesting you listen to Art Bell, but does nothing provoke your imagination about early civilization and archaeology?
 
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Clearly the explanation for said fascinating archaeology is the supernatural.
 
Look, that's a great pic and clearly that guy plays with his hair on fire...

But the scholars I'm speaking of are reserved and prefer to steer away from publicity.

They are top university/lab people. Some of their comments on the nature/potential cause for the shroud image are the type of stuff that will end your career unless it passes some degree of muster. I can't see what these researchers from Bell, Hewlett Packard,Los Alamos,etc., etc., could possibly gain by making statements up out of whole cloth,as it were. I mean patently false schtick is what I expect and appreciate from the History Channel. I hold these researchers, working on an existing piece of evidence,in a wholly different light.
 
So those guys aren't snot-nosed idiot college boys, right? Only the ones who can actually interact with you and disagree with you.
 
You could use that same graphic from TW and apply it to the religion of atheism. That incredible expanse of space and we think it is inconceivable that a supernatural force could be involved. We think that we have figured out the laws of the universe. We .... the speck of sand in the ocean of the Milky Way .... which is its own speck of sand ... etc...

We have it figured out. There is no supernatural force. It can all be explained by humans. The speck of sand in a billion oceans.
 
Wrangor said:
You could use that same graphic from TW and apply it to the religion of atheism. That incredible expanse of space and we think it is inconceivable that a supernatural force could be involved. We think that we have figured out the laws of the universe. We .... the speck of sand in the ocean of the Milky Way .... which is its own speck of sand ... etc...

We have it figured out. There is no supernatural force. It can all be explained by humans. The speck of sand in a billion oceans.
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Atheism doesn't presume that we are the only ones who have figured it out. So it could be lots and lots of specks of sand in the billion oceans have figured it out
 
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