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Is Obama a good leader?

Is Obama a good leader?

  • Yes, unequivically

    Votes: 2 3.5%

  • No, Uneqivically

    Votes: 18 31.6%

  • Yes, but he was dealt a bad hand

    Votes: 17 29.8%

  • No, and he was dealt a bad hand

    Votes: 17 29.8%

  • He couldn't lead RJ to a left wing website

    Votes: 3 5.3%
  • Total voters
    57
EatLeadCommie said:
No. I should've said unequivocally, but I said he was dealt a bad hand. I find that he seems to retreat and let Congress sort things out when things get tough. Honestly, I get the same vibe from him as I did from GHW Bush, which is that he's really tired of being President and doesn't really want it anymore.
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Hard to blame him on that front - being POTUS is probably one of the worst jobs in the world. The term should be for 6 years, no chance of re-election.
 
Say what you will about Obama's leadership void, but goddamn Boehner is horrible. He has led this Congress into shit town.
 
Not much of a leader...sideline guy like Princeton President Calvin Coolidge -- like Coolidge, owned by Wall Street elites. Not really prepared for some of the rough and tumble which Bill likened to a "fairy tale" (the suggestion that Barack had the chops going in).

Certainly fell short as a uniter and his back-handed approach leaves many feeling awkward. William Jefferson was one who could navigate the aisle and the two parties were just as acrimonious then as today.
 
Lectro said:
Not much of a leader...sideline guy like Princeton President Calvin Coolidge -- like Coolidge, owned by Wall Street elites. Not really prepared for some of the rough and tumble which Bill likened to a "fairy tale" (the suggestion that Barack had the chops going in).

Certainly fell short as a uniter and his back-handed approach leaves many feeling awkward. William Jefferson was one who could navigate the aisle and the two parties were just as acrimonious then as today.
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Can't really disagree. But again, William Jefferson had a fucking cakewalk with the GOP of the 90s compared to these nitwits and their hamstrung Speaker.
 
a huge portion of that comes from the gerrymandering in 2011. there's a huge dropoff in the amount of districts up for grabs in the mid-90s versus now.
 
Obama's presidency reminds me of Terminator 2.

He's a good guy trying to help people, and overall the US electing a black President was a historic step forward, guy is impervious to all attacks. He's the T-800, trying to do all this great stuff to save the world after being idolized by America's youth (John Connor). But America's old conservative regime (the T1000) is like hell no, we're stopping this thing at all cost, and we have tons of resources. So they fight and a bunch of innocent people get hurt, buildings get destroyed, millions of tax payer dollars are wasted on trying to stop them, etc... But the T1000 can't be reasoned with or talked to so it's give up or fight on. It takes all kinds of shapes and forms and lies to everybody but has only one purpose. You find out later that the big save-the-world plan doesn't even work out for the T-800 or John, everything gets blown to hell anyway and they don't actually accomplish much. But what does happen is the T1000 is finally destroyed. If the 2nd election of Obama was the frozen-smash-them-to-bits moment that doesn't actually kill them, the shutdown/default fight is when the T1000 gets thrown in the molten metal. When it dies it starts freaking out and turning into all kinds of shit and you see its makeup as it panics. Racist hillbillies, gay-hating conservatives, money-grubbing corporate shills, confederate flag-waving gun nuts - they're all exposed as they panic at the realization that they are helpless and have finally been trivialized.

So yeah, for not giving in to these assholes and finally exposing (and likely destroying) the dark corners of the Republican party, he's been a great leader. Does it suck that his Presidency will be marred in partisan bickering and a do-nothing Congress for the majority of his tenure? Absolutely. I just don't see it as a lack of leadership. When your kid holds his breath to get candy you're not a bad parent for not negotiating with him even if he passes out. It means your kid's a spoiled little shit who needs to learn his lesson. For Republicans to run on openly stated platforms of "stop Obama at all costs no matter what he proposes - even if it's Repbulican-written legislation" and then deride him for being a poor leader is pretty laughably transparent. Just like it is to call it "Obama's Shutdown" when the orchestration of the shutdown is documented.
 
DCDeac said:
Obama's presidency reminds me of Terminator 2.

He's a good guy trying to help people, and overall the US electing a black President was a historic step forward, guy is impervious to all attacks. He's the T-800, trying to do all this great stuff to save the world after being idolized by America's youth (John Connor). But America's old conservative regime (the T1000) is like hell no, we're stopping this thing at all cost, and we have tons of resources. So they fight and a bunch of innocent people get hurt, buildings get destroyed, millions of tax payer dollars are wasted on trying to stop them, etc... But the T1000 can't be reasoned with or talked to so it's give up or fight on. It takes all kinds of shapes and forms and lies to everybody but has only one purpose. You find out later that the big save-the-world plan doesn't even work out for the T-800 or John, everything gets blown to hell anyway and they don't actually accomplish much. But what does happen is the T1000 is finally destroyed. If the 2nd election of Obama was the frozen-smash-them-to-bits moment that doesn't actually kill them, the shutdown/default fight is when the T1000 gets thrown in the molten metal. When it dies it starts freaking out and turning into all kinds of shit and you see its makeup as it panics. Racist hillbillies, gay-hating conservatives, money-grubbing corporate shills, confederate flag-waving gun nuts - they're all exposed as they panic at the realization that they are helpless and have finally been trivialized.

So yeah, for not giving in to these assholes and finally exposing (and likely destroying) the dark corners of the Republican party, he's been a great leader. Does it suck that his Presidency will be marred in partisan bickering and a do-nothing Congress for the majority of his tenure? Absolutely. I just don't see it as a lack of leadership. When your kid holds his breath to get candy you're not a bad parent for not negotiating with him even if he passes out. It means your kid's a spoiled little shit who needs to learn his lesson. For Republicans to run on openly stated platforms of "stop Obama at all costs no matter what he proposes - even if it's Repbulican-written legislation" and then deride him for being a poor leader is pretty laughably transparent. Just like it is to call it "Obama's Shutdown" when the orchestration of the shutdown is documented.
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