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Is there any NSA news that would surprise you at this point?

Who on the boards (other than BSF) is the most likely to be an NSA plant?
 
Probably the only person who defends it. Ridiculous. Online gaming?
 
Microsoft declined to comment on the latest revelations, as did Philip Rosedale, the founder of Second Life and former CEO of Linden Lab, the game's operator. The company's executives did not respond to requests for comment.
Yeah, they were totally cooperating.
 
what's important about a surveillance state is that it creates the recognition that your behavior is susceptible to being watched at any time. What that does is radically alter your behavior, because if we can act without other people watching us, we can test all kinds of boundaries, we can explore all kinds of creativity, we can transgress pretty much every limit that we want because nobody's going to know that we're doing it. That's why privacy is so vital to human freedom.
But if we know we're being watched all the time, then we're going to engage in behavior that is acceptable to other people, meaning we're going to conform to orthodoxies and norms. And that's the real menace of a ubiquitous surveillance state: It breeds conformity; it breeds a kind of obedient citizenry, on both a societal and an individual level. That's why tyrannies love surveillance, but it's also why surveillance literally erodes a huge part of what it means to be a free individual.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com.br/2013/12/why-privacy-power-of-mind-over-mind.html
 
You can easily change up the terminology in those two paragraphs and see why this gets support. People like it when other people follow societal norms. It's called the law as opposed to deviance. People have fallen for that for years.
 
i don't understand the surprise and faux-outrage here. people are excited about the ever expanding role of the "virtual world" and its applications/relevance to the real world, but we're shocked and horrified to find out the government takes it seriously enough to monitor it for terrorism. the virtual world that is dependent on the internet that the US military invented.

no waiiiiii
 

There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct
 
There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct

Damn, that is straight prescience the likes of which only Huxley could match.
 
i don't understand the surprise and faux-outrage here. people are excited about the ever expanding role of the "virtual world" and its applications/relevance to the real world, but we're shocked and horrified to find out the government takes it seriously enough to monitor it for terrorism. the virtual world that is dependent on the internet that the US military invented.

no waiiiiii
Besides the concern involving civil liberties, people should be outraged at the monumental stupidity of it all. Maybe law enforcement failed to stop the Boston bombers, despite the Russian FSB providing them with intelligence beforehand, because agents were too busy pretending to be elfs and "looking for terrorists" while playing World of Warcraft on the taxpayers dime.
 
yeah, im sure that's what happened. everyone at the NSA was going Leeroy Jenkins.
 
yeah, im sure that's what happened. everyone at the NSA was going Leeroy Jenkins.

Read the article. A lot of them were.
Meanwhile, the FBI, CIA, and the Defense Humint Service were all running human intelligence operations – undercover agents – within Second Life. In fact, so crowded were the virtual worlds with staff from the different agencies, that there was a need to try to "deconflict" their efforts – or, in other words, to make sure each agency wasn't just duplicating what the others were doing.
 
i mean you realize you have to participate in order to monitor chats and things, right? what do you think monitoring means?
 
i'm not; you're a part of the stupid boomer+ crowd who doesn't understand technology and probably thinks our spies drive around in aston-martins with machine guns in the headlights.
 
i'm not; you're a part of the stupid boomer+ crowd who doesn't understand technology and probably thinks our spies drive around in aston-martins with machine guns in the headlights.

Tell me why you support the NSA and other agencies doing what is described in the article and why you consider it an effective use of resources.
 
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