Deadbolt
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Oh please. So have the Micks and Wops. Gimme a break.
Oh please. So have the Micks and Wops. Gimme a break.
Oh please. So have the Micks and Wops. Gimme a break.
Oh please. So have the Micks and Wops. Gimme a break.
Gays have been abused, bullied, and killed just for being gay. That sounds awfully similar to the plight of blacks in pre-civil rights southern states.
I think you need to read up a little on the plight of blacks in the Jim Crow era. The mis-treatment of homosexuals in this country is an embarrassing travesty, but it doesn't hold a candle to the way blacks were treated. The two just aren't comparable at all.
I'm not saying it's apples and oranges...maybe I should have been more clear on that. But as MDMH said above, the amounts don't have to be comparable. Bullied, beaten, and killed for being who you are (black, homosexual, female, Justin Bieber) should illicit the same kind of protections for everyone.
I'm not saying it's apples and oranges...maybe I should have been more clear on that. But as MDMH said above, the amounts don't have to be comparable. Bullied, beaten, and killed for being who you are (black, homosexual, female, Justin Bieber) should illicit the same kind of protections for everyone.
You're missing the fundamental distinction that one was de facto and the other de jure. By virtue of their number, blacks were unable to mobilize and effect change through the political process. Homosexuals are a minority, to be sure, but they haven't faced the same legislative difficulty blacks in the Jim Crow south did. That's likely because, though a minority, society doesn't segregate homosexuals the same way it did blacks. In any event, because of their demonstrable legislative success, homosexuals don't need the courts.
Homosexuality was illegal and criminalized relatively recently, sodomy even more recently. There are American Christian missionaries in Africa right now who are major proponents of the death penalty for homosexuality in multiple African countries. Were it not for the advances made during the Black Civil Rights movement, the current culture of acceptance and freedom for homosexuals in America would be much different.You're missing the fundamental distinction that one was de facto and the other de jure. By virtue of their number, blacks were unable to mobilize and effect change through the political process. Homosexuals are a minority, to be sure, but they haven't faced the same legislative difficulty blacks in the Jim Crow south did. That's likely because, though a minority, society doesn't segregate homosexuals the same way it did blacks. In any event, because of their demonstrable legislative success, homosexuals don't need the courts.
You're missing the fundamental distinction that one was de facto and the other de jure. By virtue of their number, blacks were unable to mobilize and effect change through the political process. Homosexuals are a minority, to be sure, but they haven't faced the same legislative difficulty blacks in the Jim Crow south did. That's likely because, though a minority, society doesn't segregate homosexuals the same way it did blacks. In any event, because of their demonstrable legislative success, homosexuals don't need the courts.
There was no Jim Crow in states outside the old Confederacy, either. So if "legislative success" is the marker, why did black people need the courts? Or were you talking about crayons?
There was no Jim Crow in states outside the old Confederacy, either.
I think you need to read up a little on the plight of blacks in the Jim Crow era. The mis-treatment of homosexuals in this country is an embarrassing travesty, but it doesn't hold a candle to the way blacks were treated. The two just aren't comparable at all.
I like how we all just moved past JuneBug's assertion that the state has a vested interest in fertility. Like it was unquestioned fact. I would love to hear these arguments.
I like how we all just moved past JuneBug's assertion that the state has a vested interest in fertility. Like it was unquestioned fact. I would love to hear these arguments.
I like how we all just moved past JuneBug's assertion that the state has a vested interest in fertility. Like it was unquestioned fact. I would love to hear these arguments.
So exactly what arbitrary amount of discrimination would you need to witness, or believe to have happened, for you to believe that the homosexual civil rights movement is comparable to that of the black civil rights movement? Just know, before you answer, that it doesn't fucking matter. The comparison of the two civil rights movements is purely a republican political maneuver to turn the issue into a segregational pissing contest so that religious conservative african americans will latch onto the issue in a state election. How deserving a person is of due protection isn't dependent upon the amount of discrimination they've faced.