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No-knock raid foulups #42344

This shit has to stop. So, they "caught" the guy by buying drugs from his house. Why not just show up a week later, buy more drugs and slap some handcuffs on him like a normal fucking cop? What's the need to go in like a bunch of paramilitary wankoffs with body armor and AR's, knocking down doors and blowing shit up? Meanwhile, our federal government keeps handing off more and more military equipment to the police who have to think up new and insane ways of using it. And it's not just a problem with our "war on drugs". A kid blows up a crockpot and we have armored vehicles patrolling streets, "unforced" neighborhood curfews, and illegal armed violent searches, turning suburbia Boston into a scene out of Afghanistan...
 
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Here's a crazy idea. Case the house and arrest him when he leaves the next morning.
 
The police assure us that they feel really bad about it.

“You're trying to minimize anything that could go wrong and in this case the greatest thing went wrong,” Darby said. “Is it going to make us be more careful in the next one? Yes ma'am, it is. It's gonna make us double question.”
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I am not certain how "trying to minimize anything that could go wrong" can possibly lead one to the conclusion that a SWAT raid with flashbangs to arrest a non-violent criminal is the solution.
 
This has been a story in Atlanta for a couple of weeks now. The one thing that neither the media nor the "fuck the cops" ranters are asking is this: why the fuck do these parents- or at least the mother- have their child in a house with at the very least drugs present and being used/sold? I'm not saying there's not something seriously fucked up with the no-knock process. I am wondering why a parent would place a child in a situation where either some fucked up junkie or gung-ho cop can injure their child.

No one is asking that question, though. Ultimately, that's really the thing that needs to be answered as far as this case goes.
 
"It'll make us double question" is the mark of a thoughtful, patient person.
 
94Deac said:
This has been a story in Atlanta for a couple of weeks now. The one thing that neither the media nor the "fuck the cops" ranters are asking is this: why the fuck do these parents- or at least the mother- have their child in a house with at the very least drugs present and being used/sold? I'm not saying there's not something seriously fucked up with the no-knock process. I am wondering why a parent would place a child in a situation where either some fucked up junkie or gung-ho cop can injure their child.

No one is asking that question, though. Ultimately, that's really the thing that needs to be answered as far as this case goes.
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Really?

What evidence do you have that the mother knew anything about the drug dealing? Also, her freaking house burned down and she came to Atlanta to stay with some relatives. Maybe she didn't have a whole lot of choice in the matter.
 
94Deac said:
This has been a story in Atlanta for a couple of weeks now. The one thing that neither the media nor the "fuck the cops" ranters are asking is this: why the fuck do these parents- or at least the mother- have their child in a house with at the very least drugs present and being used/sold?
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If it's been all over the news, how did you miss this?

The family's home in Wisconsin recently burned down, prompting their trip to Atlanta to visit family.
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94Deac said:
I'm not saying there's not something seriously fucked up with the no-knock process. I am wondering why a parent would place a child in a situation where either some fucked up junkie or gung-ho cop can injure their child.
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LOL at this somehow being the parent's fault. How do you know the guy was a junkie? Or dangerous? Selling drugs out of your house isn't usually the same type of dealer who stands on the corner with a gun selling to crackheads. In the end, even if he's all of those things, living there with family probably beats living on the street with your toddler.

94Deac said:
No one is asking that question, though. Ultimately, that's really the thing that needs to be answered as far as this case goes.
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Why? What does it change? If you can justify blowing up a flash-bang a few inches from a toddler's head because his uncle sells drugs, where exactly would you draw the line on this whole deal? At what point would the answer satisfy you that this wasn't justified? You did say "I'm not saying there's not something seriously fucked up with the no-knock process," right?
 
94Deac said:
This has been a story in Atlanta for a couple of weeks now. The one thing that neither the media nor the "fuck the cops" ranters are asking is this: why the fuck do these parents- or at least the mother- have their child in a house with at the very least drugs present and being used/sold? I'm not saying there's not something seriously fucked up with the no-knock process. I am wondering why a parent would place a child in a situation where either some fucked up junkie or gung-ho cop can injure their child.

No one is asking that question, though. Ultimately, that's really the thing that needs to be answered as far as this case goes.
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did jh steal your password?
 
silk said:
Yeah, this.

Similar to Waco.
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Not really. At Waco they were barricading themselves against what any reasonable person should have been able to conclude was a lawful arrest warrant.
 
Country Deac said:
The family knew there was a problem in the home and had rented a U-Haul to move back to Wisconsin. They were scheduled to leave the day after the raid.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-had-to-know-child-was-at-risk-mom-says/nf9w6/
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The dumbass police didn't even confirm the suspect was in the house before knocking the door down.

The 3 a.m. raid Wednesday in Habersham County unearthed no drugs, no weapons, no bundles of cash and not even the suspect drug dealer. It left a visiting family from Wisconsin — whom authorities described as unlucky innocents — terrified, and their son on a ventilator.

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Terrell acknowledged that the undercover agents only made a single drug buy and that they did not keep surveillance on the house. That might have allowed them to see the house was packed with kids but it also risked revealing that officers were watching the house. He justified the use of the no-knock warrant by telling the AJC that Thonetheva , reportedly possessed an AK-47 assault rifle and was arrested with other weapons during during a previous drug arrest.
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The 3 a.m. raid Wednesday in Habersham County unearthed no drugs, no weapons, no bundles of cash and not even the suspect drug dealer.


Unreal.
 
in china they just turn off your water and post a guard. you'll come out soon enough, of your own volition.

eta: can't get down with '94 on that post. and am a self admitted fuck the cops ranter
 
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Nevermind. Sometimes it's just a waste of time trying to discuss something.
 
94Deac said:
Nevermind. Sometimes it's just a waste of time trying to discuss something.
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There's nothing to discuss. A little toddler is teetering on life/death because some fucko threw a flash grenade into his crib to arrest someone they didn't even bother to make sure was home, while finding no drugs, guns or suspects in the process. All for something that could have been solved by putting someone undercover to watch the house and alert units nearby when the dude left so they could pick him up a few blocks away.
 
This is pretty pathetic:

Terrell acknowledged that the undercover agents only made a single drug buy and that they did not keep surveillance on the house. That might have allowed them to see the house was packed with kids but it also risked revealing that officers were watching the house.
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That's basically them admitting that they don't have enough confidence in their ability to do basic police work, so they have to use paramilitary tactics and treat the place like a fucking war zone instead. Fucking shameful
 
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