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NSA sharing raw intelligence with Israel, including American's phone calls/emails

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NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel

• Secret deal places no legal limits on use of data by Israelis
• Only official US government communications protected
• Agency insists it complies with rules governing privacy
The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.

Details of the intelligence-sharing agreement are laid out in a memorandum of understanding between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart that shows the US government handed over intercepted communications likely to contain phone calls and emails of American citizens. The agreement places no legally binding limits on the use of the data by the Israelis.

The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.

The deal was reached in principle in March 2009, according to the undated memorandum, which lays out the ground rules for the intelligence sharing.

The five-page memorandum, termed an agreement between the US and Israeli intelligence agencies "pertaining to the protection of US persons", repeatedly stresses the constitutional rights of Americans to privacy and the need for Israeli intelligence staff to respect these rights.

But this is undermined by the disclosure that Israel is allowed to receive "raw Sigint" – signal intelligence. The memorandum says: "Raw Sigint includes, but is not limited to, unevaluated and unminimized transcripts, gists, facsimiles, telex, voice and Digital Network Intelligence metadata and content."

According to the agreement, the intelligence being shared would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications. "NSA routinely sends ISNU [the Israeli Sigint National Unit] minimized and unminimized raw collection", it says.

Although the memorandum is explicit in saying the material had to be handled in accordance with US law, and that the Israelis agreed not to deliberately target Americans identified in the data, these rules are not backed up by legal obligations.

"This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law," the document says.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents
 
The Deputy Legal Director of the ACLU has a sad/funny tweet:
Jameel Jaffer ‏@JameelJaffer 8m

Seems the only info actually being "minimized" is the info #NSA shares with the American public. NSA is really good at minimizing that.
 
Hold up now. NSA sends raw data on US citizens to a foreign intelligence agency?
 
Hold up now. NSA sends raw data on US citizens to a foreign intelligence agency?

Mr. LV426 ‏@mrlv426 13m

@ggreenwald So, it turns out Snowden wasn't the one supplying secrets to a foreign government: it was the NSA itself. Who betrayed whom?
 
Civil liberties, y'all.

Remember when the RJs of the world used to have daily litters of kittens about the possibility that this could happen some day in the future, and we had to get Bush out of office to keep that day from coming?

Cue the crickets.
 
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Good point. Who is Israel giving or selling this data to?

The article quotes a top secret 2008 document, where an official states, "A NIE [National Intelligence Estimate] ranked them as the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US." Imagine a scientist who does contract work for the government on a weapons program that just happens to be cheating on his wife- and the Israelis have the emails between him and the person he is cheating with.
 
The article quotes a top secret 2008 document, where an official states, "A NIE [National Intelligence Estimate] ranked them as the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US." Imagine a scientist who does contract work for the government on a weapons program that just happens to be cheating on his wife- and the Israelis have the emails between him and the person he is cheating with.

And we're Top 5 against them. What"s the big surprise?
 
If Milhouse stops posting, now we know why.
 
It's all good...we're just giving it to the Joos. Nothing to see here.
 
And we're Top 5 against them. What"s the big surprise?
Do you approve of the government handing over the private information of innocent Americans, including emails and phone calls, to a foreign intelligence service, especially one that was described in a National Intelligence Estimate as "the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US"?
 
I live in the real world. We do the same to them. And there are situations like this with other countries as well.

I do think the breadth of the program needs to be cut back.
 
I live in the real world.

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I live in the real world. We do the same to them. And there are situations like this with other countries as well.

I do think the breadth of the program needs to be cut back.

So you're okay with the government handing over the phone calls and emails of innocent Americans to a foreign country?

"We do the same to them."
What are you referring to, that we spy on them? No one has denied that we spy on them so why bring this up? Are you just trying to change the subject?

"And there are situations like this with other countries as well."
There might be agreements like this with other countries, but as far as I'm aware no official documents showing this have come to light, yet.
 
I live in the real world. We do the same to them. And there are situations like this with other countries as well.

I do think the breadth of the program needs to be cut back.

Handing over raw data is way different than curating or summing up the data that they want and handing THAT over to them. The government should be in the business of protecting its citizens, not selling them down the river
 
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