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Obama's Middle East speech

Go- you should tell the girl in your office that you want to fuck her in the closet than in every room of your place. Since the world is ending you might as well put a smile on her face.
 
RJKarl said:
Go- you should tell the girl in your office that you want to fuck her in the closet than in every room of your place. Since the world is ending you might as well put a smile on her face.
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Obama pissed off the Israelis with his 67 borders (with land trades) and calling for two states. He pissed off the Palestinians by saying the first step must be disavowing violence and acknowleding Israel's right to exist.

A lot of POTUS have tiptoed around those statements but never put them all together in one speech. That's at least a step forward.
 
What about what Obama didn't talk about, rj? The right of return.
 
The right of return is a non-issue and everyone knows that.
 
It's one of the few things he and I agree on. The reality is very few of the people who were expelled in 1947 are still alive. The other reality is Isreal repatriated a lot of people form Jordan, Iraq and Iran versus the Arab countries not doing the same.
 
Netanyahu pwned Congress today. He had his opportunity to counter any disagreements he had with the President and state his own positions and took full advantage of it.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
Netanyahu pwned Congress today. He had his opportunity to counter any disagreements he had with the President and state his own positions and took full advantage of it.
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He gave a stump speech for domestic consumption.
 
Netanyahu did an interview with Andrea Mitchell. He stated very clearly that his position and Obama's statements were identical.
 
LOL. If he said that, he was being polite to say the least. There has been some serious spin going on from the Obama camp over this and some overtures in carefully worded statements from Netanyahu to settle differences in rhetoric.
 
No, there has been serious spin from the right wing who failed to do their own due diligence on the issue, and our government's stated position, themselves.
 
Nuances, LK. There is a reason Netanyahu was not pleased with the Obama spiel a few weeks ago. There is also a reason that Biden sat on his hands during the part of the address to Congress about the 1967 borders. They can go back and act like all is fine and dandy, but the damage was done.

The only spin that I have heard from the WH that is worth a damn is that they intentionally threw out the 67 borders as a different starting point in negotiations to get things moving. Nice spin. Netanyahu has it right...the Palestinian representation is too busy hating Jews to be serious about peace. They can sit there and act very serious about peace, especially if they are serious about giving off the impression that they are serious about it (will be interesting to see what goes on around November 2012), but they have always been full of shit. Always have been, and especially always will be with Hamas in charge.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
Nuances, LK. There is a reason Netanyahu was not pleased with the Obama spiel a few weeks ago. There is also a reason that Biden sat on his hands during the part of the address to Congress about the 1967 borders. They can go back and act like all is fine and dandy, but the damage was done.

The only spin that I have heard from the WH that is worth a damn is that they intentionally threw out the 67 borders as a different starting point in negotiations to get things moving. Nice spin. Netanyahu has it right...the Palestinian representation is too busy hating Jews to be serious about peace. They can sit there and act very serious about peace, especially if they are serious about giving off the impression that they are serious about it (will be interesting to see what goes on around November 2012), but they have always been full of shit. Always have been, and especially always will be with Hamas in charge.
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Yep. Clearly the Palestinians should shoulder all the blame in this fight:mad:.
 
The Palestinians shoulder about 50% and neighboring Arabs and non-Arab Muslims about the other 50% since they have a lot to lose if there ever is a Palestinian state. The big elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about has always been how much their Muslim neighbors hate their suppose Palestinian "brothers." The Palestinians are merely the tool which they use to whip up their Jew-hating frenzy.
 
EatLeadCommie said:
The Palestinians shoulder about 50% and neighboring Arabs and non-Arab Muslims about the other 50% since they have a lot to lose if there ever is a Palestinian state. The big elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about has always been how much their Muslim neighbors hate their suppose Palestinian "brothers." The Palestinians are merely the tool which they use to whip up their Jew-hating frenzy.
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Unless my math skills are off, it sounds like you are saying the Israelis shoulder 0% of the blame. If that is your position, I'm not sure this discussion is worth having.
 
The think I like about the Israelis is they gave up on wanting people to like them a long time ago.
 
In 1967 Isreal was living in peace with its neighbors when they were attacked from all sides. If you start a war, you have no justification to get back land you lost by attacking your neighbors.

Just ask Alsatians.

Thewre woudl have been a Palestinian state for about fourteen years already had Arafat accepted getting back 98% of the land the Araba lost and making Golan a DMZ.

If you start a wat and get 98% of what you want back after LOSING you've been given a great deal .

There are two things that will never happen. First Jerusalem is the capital of Israel ands has bene for thousands of years. It will not be partioned. Second, there will be no right of return. If there is the State of Israel will cease to exist.
 
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