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Official Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS) Thread

i missed out on some cash on a new site called fantasydraft.com last night when deandre hopkins' td catch when he was interfered with in the end zone was ruled incomplete
We played there during its opening weeks because the overlay was just unreal. One of their big tournaments, their servers were crashing the hour before lock and the overlay ended up paying out about 60% of entrants.

I haven't been watching the site much but are most the guaranteed tourneys still failing to fill up? Just saw they have a $250k guaranteed tourney at $25. Will be interesting if they can actually get 10k entries. Yahoo also just started their DFS site and is opening football with a $1M guaranteed tourney.
 
I haven't been watching the site much but are most the guaranteed tourneys still failing to fill up? Just saw they have a $250k guaranteed tourney at $25. Will be interesting if they can actually get 10k entries.

I admittedly haven't paid attention daily but from doing baseball a night or two a week it seems to me that a lot of guaranteed contests struggle to get outside of the payout zone, as far as total entries go. I kinda think that specific contest will get to 10k solely because of opening weekend and the fact that you can do 20 entries per login.
 
$1500 college football freeroll this saturday on fantasy aces. top 250 get paid, around 500 entries so far.
 
I'm not sure how the casual fan has much chance in college football, at least this early in the season. I'm trying it but am way too dependent upon external projections.
 
I'd been intrigued by these sites for a while... decided to put $25 each into DraftKings and FanDuel for the fun of it, will play a buck or two each week and if I lose it all no biggie. Going for mostly the contests with a bunch of staggered payouts, where the top 25% at least recoup their entry fee.
 
do people really put up 10,600$ to play head to head for 20g?
 
ok then from todays wsj...

here is the important section: Still, as the industry grows, daily fantasy companies face another risk: the possibility that increasingly sophisticated players using complicated statistical formulas will wipe out novices, say industry watchers like Ed Miller, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology-trained engineer and games strategist, and Daniel Singer, leader of McKinsey & Co.’s global sports and gaming practice.

In the first half of the 2015 Major League Baseball season, just 1.3% of daily fantasy-sports players won 91% of the profits, according to Mr. Singer.

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Daily Fantasy-Sports Operators Await Reality Check
Coming NFL season is make-or-break time for billion-dollar startups FanDuel, DraftKings
FanDuel and DraftKings, the biggest daily fantasy-sports operators, are now valued at more than $1 billion each. WSJ's Kate O'Keeffe explains how the online sports leagues work.
By KATE O’KEEFFE
Updated Sept. 9, 2015 6:11 p.m. ET
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The National Football League season that kicks off Thursday will provide a reality check for an investor darling that has yet to make a profit: the daily fantasy-sports industry.

The fantasy-sports operators allow customers to draft virtual teams of professional athletes and compete against each other based on the teams’ real-world performances that day or week. The companies put customers’ contest entry fees toward cash prize pools and keep around 10% in commissions for themselves.

FanDuel Inc. and DraftKings Inc., which together control some 95% of the North American daily fantasy market, both entered the billion-dollar-startup club in July after big fundraising rounds, hitting respective valuations of $1.3 billion and $1.2 billion. But neither has made a profit because of heavy ad spending to draw in customers.

FanDuel, credited with starting the industry in 2009, generated $57 million in revenue in 2014 and awarded $564 million in cash prizes. The company has said it would dole out $2 billion in prizes this year, implying it hopes to more than triple its revenue to about $200 million in 2015.

DraftKings, founded in 2011, made $30 million in revenue last year and gave away $300 million in prizes. It has pledged to give away at least $1 billion in prizes this year.


Despite their current niche customer appeal—nearly all users are young white men—growth has been strong for daily fantasy-sports operators, which are expected to have 3.9 million paying customers in North America by the end of the year, according to Adam Krejcik, managing director of digital and interactive gaming at Eilers Research LLC.

But the coming NFL season, when fantasy-sports activity peaks, is “make or break” for the industry, whose aggressive growth targets and huge valuations leave them with little margin for error, said Mr. Krejcik. “With all this money and marketing, if they can’t show accelerated growth this year maybe this industry will never become mainstream,” he said. “At some point you’re accountable to your investors…you can’t just keep losing hundreds of millions of dollars.”

Regulatory risk is another threat the sector is facing, as more U.S. states consider whether to exempt the industry from gambling laws or impose regulations on it. Operators say their product isn’t gambling and that it is legal in nearly all states due to a fantasy sports carve-out in a 2006 federal law meant to crack down on online gambling.

But some casino and sportsbook operators are agitating for daily fantasy sports to be regulated like they are—as gambling companies—arguing that their businesses have evolved beyond what the carve-out had envisioned. Nevada gambling regulators are currently conducting a legal analysis of the daily fantasy-sports industry—the result of which analysts believe could affect other states’ thinking on the matter.

DraftKings Chief Executive Jason Robins said daily fantasy sports requires skill, unlike regular sports betting. “We have a lot more crossover with chess players,” he said.

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In daily fantasy sports, customers choose from countless contests offered across various sports including football, baseball and basketball. They get a virtual budget to draft rosters and may take all sorts of variables into account such as whether a player might be undervalued, who he will be playing against that day and whether he will have a home-field advantage. Entry fees and prize structures vary widely, with some contests costing less than $1 to enter and others costing more than $1,000. Winners could walk away with a couple dollars or a couple of million dollars.

Nigel Eccles, the chief executive of FanDuel, said investors always ask him what share of North America’s 57 million-strong season-long fantasy sports market his company can convert to his condensed version of the game. “The real question is, What percentage of the 200 million sports fans can we convert to daily fantasy sports?” he said.

Mr. Eccles said his company is evolving beyond just running fantasy sports contests and transforming into a “next-generation sports platform.” FanDuel’s August purchase of numberFire, a sports analytics company that provides content to outfits such as Walt Disney Co.’s ESPN and Time Inc.’s Sports Illustrated among others, is part of that plan, he said.

Media giants have been some of the biggest cheerleaders of daily fantasy sports so far. Fox Networks in July contributed $150 million to a $300 million venture-funding round for DraftKings. “It opens up a whole new area of content and conversation around sports that drives engagement,” said Fox Sports President Eric Shanks.
In a related deal, DraftKings committed to spending $250 million in ads with the network over the next three years, said a person familiar with the terms. 21st Century Fox and News Corp, owner of The Wall Street Journal, were until mid-2013 part of the same company. DraftKings also has a $250 million advertising deal with ESPN.

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Investment firms have also jumped at the chance to invest. John Salter, a partner at The Raine Group, which invests in DraftKings, said the industry has provided a crucial platform for millennials to engage in sports. “It’s a social network for sports,” said Mr. Salter, who is also on DraftKings’ board.

Still, as the industry grows, daily fantasy companies face another risk: the possibility that increasingly sophisticated players using complicated statistical formulas will wipe out novices, say industry watchers like Ed Miller, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology-trained engineer and games strategist, and Daniel Singer, leader of McKinsey & Co.’s global sports and gaming practice.

In the first half of the 2015 Major League Baseball season, just 1.3% of daily fantasy-sports players won 91% of the profits, according to Mr. Singer.

“It’s not what it pretends to be,” Mr. Miller said in an interview. “It pretends to be, ‘Hey pick your favorite players, spend a few bucks and root for them.’ But if you pick your favorite players you will lose a lot of money.”

Neither DraftKings nor FanDuel disputed Mr. Singer’s data but both said it doesn’t reflect their broader customer base across multiple sports leagues. FanDuel said more than one million users have won money on its site. Both companies also said they have taken steps to protect novice players such as creating beginner leagues and enabling users to block certain players.

“It’s also an entertainment product,” said FanDuel’s Mr. Eccles. “Just because you lose it doesn’t mean you want to stop playing.”

—Lora Kolodny contributed to this article.
 
Yeah you have to absolutely expect to lose your money. I actually log the money spent as "recreation" in Quicken. It's just for the fun of it, and if it happens to pay off a little, well then it pays for more fun.
 
So much overlay potential out there this weekend. Lots of easy money to be made, especially on the lesser known sites.

Yahoo was looking like they'd have a bunch but they've been marketing a ton to their weekly users and the entries have skyrocketed. The cap of 1000 entries per person will help prevent much overlay. Draftkings also just passed 50% for their $10M tourney, which is a strong increase after being around 30% on the Wednesday. Still find it hard to believe they'll fill, though.
 
You guys are smart enough to beat the system. Don't play head to head or multi-pick to start. Find large pools as the Sharks are relatively underrepresented. Go to fantasy pros.com, select top 10 most accurate experts, then cross reference weekly values. Arbitrage and hedging opportunities are aplenty. For example, Jordan Matthews on fan duel this week. I won $24k in my first year playing and I started with a $250 deposit.
 
You guys are smart enough to beat the system. Don't play head to head or multi-pick to start. Find large pools as the Sharks are relatively underrepresented. Go to fantasy pros.com, select top 10 most accurate experts, then cross reference weekly values. Arbitrage and hedging opportunities are aplenty. For example, Jordan Matthews on fan duel this week. I won $24k in my first year playing and I started with a $250 deposit.

That's pretty amazing- any material you would suggest as a primer for someone new getting into DFS?
 
You guys are smart enough to beat the system. Don't play head to head or multi-pick to start. Find large pools as the Sharks are relatively underrepresented. Go to fantasy pros.com, select top 10 most accurate experts, then cross reference weekly values. Arbitrage and hedging opportunities are aplenty. For example, Jordan Matthews on fan duel this week. I won $24k in my first year playing and I started with a $250 deposit.
Multi-pick? No idea what that is. Agreed to avoid H2H in general, though I've actually used it as a learning opportunity often by playing the top guys for a $1. You can often reverse engineer to understand why a pro may have selected who he did. As well, for NFL, you can play against them on Thursday and have a pretty good idea of who the top guys to go after are over the weekend.

Was your money won primarily in 50/50s or tournaments? Because agree in theory with your methodology for 50/50s but there's far more strategy involved in tournament lineups.
 
anyone win any cash or victim of the sharks?
 
just wondering wilmington did you use fantasyfootballnerd?
 
i was playing around with it and they were suggesting using julio and ryan. couldnt remember about murray
 
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