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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

PhDeac said:
There are a lot of reasons Hillary lost. It was close. Just like a close basketball game could have come down to free throws, a bad call, poor shooting, poor defense, talent, any number of factors.
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In this analogy, blaming leftists is like blaming the 8th man for bouncing a ball off his foot in the first quarter rather than blaming the million dollar coach or the star player for going 4-13.
 
PhDeac said:
They did if they didn’t vote for Hillary.

Stop being all high and mighty like you and your little club are the only ones who care about these issues. Plenty of Democrats do and are working to address them.
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This is only true if they didn't vote for her in NC, FL, PA, WI, AND MI, otherwise a protest vote is inconsequential practically speaking and perhaps valuable for sending a message or feeling good about your self.
 
MHBDemon said:
In this analogy, blaming leftists is like blaming the 8th man for bouncing a ball off his foot in the first quarter rather than blaming the million dollar coach or the star player for going 4-13.
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No. In this analogy, it’s like blaming both.
 
So are progressives a powerful voting block or not?

And I find that idea that 25% of Hillary primary voters vacated Obama in a race he won easily while only 12% of Sanders voters vacated Hillary hard to believe. Clinton had more primary voters than Obama in 2008. I don't find it logical that he could have won with so much of the base defecting.
 
ChrisL68 said:
So are progressives a powerful voting block or not?

And I find that idea that 25% of Hillary primary voters vacated Obama in a race he won easily while only 12% of Sanders voters vacated Hillary hard to believe. Clinton had more primary voters than Obama in 2008. I don't find it logical that he could have won with so much of the base defecting.
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Thats not how the math works. Something like 12% of Bernie primary voters voted for Trump and 16% of Hillary primary voters voted for McCain. Point is that the "unreliable leftists - Bernie Bros voted for Trump" narrative that ph and others are pushing is bullshit. Dem primary winners don't get all the losers votes.
 
I haven’t pushed that “Bernie Bros votes for Trump” narrative. No wonder you’re so mad at me. Stop using conservative tactics to win elections.

I’ve said the far left is less likely to vote in general elections because they get pissy when their candidates lose.
 
 
Democrats Take Aim at the Gig Economy

Leading Democrats are proposing a labor law overhaul that could extend collective bargaining rights to huge swaths of the gig economy, the latest sign of gathering blowback for companies committed to maximizing profits by denying workers rights and benefits often associated with regular employment.

On Wednesday, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders is scheduled to introduce a bill that would make major changes to the 1935 National Labor Relations Act, including making it easier for workers to prove they are employees with the right to unionize and negotiate collectively with management. Organizing rights are among a suite of protections that U.S. laws grant employees, but not to independent contractors, who also lack minimum wage, overtime, and anti-harassment protections.
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The Senate proposal by Sanders is backed by major unions and co-sponsored by other potential 2020 presidential candidates, including Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, Kamala Harris of California and Sherrod Brown of Ohio. It signifies an approach that could get a serious hearing if Democrats take control of one or both houses of Congress come November, let alone the White House in 2020.
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I would prefer to move in the direction of government providing benefits (i.e. Obamacare) to give workers the flexibility to be actual independent contractors and to relieve businesses from the burdens of managing worker benefits.
 
 
How Rhetoric on the Left Fuels Bigotry on the Right
The latest disagreement dividing opponents of Donald Trump

..So what does it mean, exactly?

At the most general level, it means ceasing to indulge the fantasy that the left can say and do whatever most gratifies its impulses, without any tradeoffs or costs or political consequences, and that anyone who suggests otherwise is just implicitly less committed to fighting racism or sexism or assorted other bigotries, or so dumb that their counsel is better gleefully mocked than grappled with.
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Claire Lehmann‏ added a useful coda: “If you insult people they become defensive & are more likely to listen to people who don’t insult them. How is this complex? When you collapse the distinction between thoughtful classical liberals & centrists with those who ~openly advocate for a white ethnostate~ not only do you insult your readers, but you reward racists with prestige they don't deserve.
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I mean this is just, it's perfect. People who have good faith in conservative Dems really are absolute morons
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/16/wall-street-bank-regulation-bill/

"In anticipation of the Crapo bill’s passage, the rush to deal has already begun. First Virginia Community Bank, which is around the $1 billion threshold, announced a merger with Colombo Bank earlier this month. In March, Civista, an Ohio-based firm, bought United Community Bank of Indiana, creating a $2.1 billion combined institution. At the higher end of the asset scale, BancorpSouth, with $17 billion in assets, purchased the $794 million Icon Bank in April. Associated Banc-Corp of Green Bay, Wisconsin, with $30 billion in assets, made plans to buy Diversified Insurance in February, along with Bank Mutual Corp.
In its report, FJ Capital Management estimated that the total number of chartered banks would decline by 50 percent over the next 10 to 15 years. That’s precisely the opposite of what the ringleaders of the Crapo bill on the Democratic side — Heitkamp, Tester, and Joe Donnelly of Indiana, all from predominantly rural states — hoped the bill would provoke. But they may have known who really wanted this legislation, if they looked into their own campaign finance filings.
According to data from the Center for Responsive Politics, Heitkamp, Donnelly, and Tester shot to the top of the list of senators receiving money from the financial industry in 2017, gathering $408,176. And prominent on that list are banks just under the $50 billion threshold. Employees of Signature Bank, a $41 billion bank based in New York, have given $112,000 to Democratic senators in the 2017-2018 election cycle, eight times as much as the 2015-2016 cycle with six month to go. Campaign finance data shows 45 Signature Bank donors for Donnelly and 38 for Heitkamp..."

So basically now that mid size banks aren't concerned with the 50 billion regulatory threshold they are gobbling up community banks and consolidating them. Great.
 
By hook or by crook the blue dog Dem era will fade away and the populist socialist agenda will eventually win out. Conservative suburban dems will concede year by year, vote by vote, until the 2018 socialist platform is the 2030 establishment platform, and people like me will still be bitching at them about racism on Mars or something.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
By hook or by crook the blue dog Dem era will fade away and the populist socialist agenda will eventually win out. Conservative suburban dems will concede year by year, vote by vote, until the 2018 socialist platform is the 2030 establishment platform, and people like me will still be bitching at them about racism on Mars or something.
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socialism in our lifetimes
 
Or maybe everything will be worse and just more online, and they'll be using Colin Kaepernick for a flying Dodge Ram commercial broadcast directly into your eyelids.
 
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