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Ongoing Dem Debacle Thread: Commander will kill us all

Junebug said:
Some may. This one does not.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
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A blind squirrel gets eaten by a hawk pretty fucking quickly, well before it finds a nut and has it no idea what hit him. Pretty basic survival of the fittest and bird law stuff here.
 
birdman said:
A blind squirrel gets eaten by a hawk pretty fucking quickly, well before it finds a nut and has it no idea what hit him. Pretty basic survival of the fittest and bird law stuff here.
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But he finds the nut first, which is critical in this situation.
 
bym051d said:
But he finds the nut first, which is critical in this situation.
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Considering that squirrels do almost all of their foraging through their sense of smell and use vision for predator evasion and climbing and jumping through trees, a blind squirrel finding a nut is not particularly surprising.
 
Funny that Junebug returns on the day Dems takeover the House. It’s as if Republicans secretly hate actually governing and would rather throw stones at Democrats who try.
 
PhDeac said:
Funny that Junebug returns on the day Dems takeover the House. It’s as if Republicans secretly hate actually governing and would rather throw stones at Democrats who try.
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That criticism runs both ways. Dems take over the house in a wave election and the very first thing they do is handicap themselves with austerity. Why else would Pelosi be reinstituting the Pay-Go austerity provision in the house rules? How the fuck do you institute progressive legislation without tax raises or deficit spending? Its such bullshit.
 
A few days ago in advance of Dems taking over the House. Why were you hiding when Republicans were in total control? That’s like not posting on the Sports board after Wake wins a national championship.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
That criticism runs both ways. Dems take over the house in a wave election and the very first thing they do is handicap themselves with austerity. Why else would Pelosi be reinstituting the Pay-Go austerity provision in the house rules? How the fuck do you institute progressive legislation without tax raises or deficit spending? Its such bullshit.
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You wave it for major legislation, like what's been done many times in the past.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
That criticism runs both ways. Dems take over the house in a wave election and the very first thing they do is handicap themselves with austerity. Why else would Pelosi be reinstituting the Pay-Go austerity provision in the house rules? How the fuck do you institute progressive legislation without tax raises or deficit spending? Its such bullshit.
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DistrictDeacon said:
You wave it for major legislation, like what's been done many times in the past.
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They had a conversation about this on yesterday's Pod Save America. It's already a law. And as District said, it can be easily be waived by a simple majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate...so basically the number of votes you need to pass legislation.
 
This was the big concern with the growing movement of democratic socialism in the past couple of years: will they try to burn down everything in an attempt to get all the way there in one swing or would they accept a gradual movement left. I think the anti-PAYGO votes are dumb for the reasons already stated, and in an otherwise phenomenal 6-month stretch for AOC, this might have been the first step that is too far. I understand the reasoning, and I largely agree with it, but sometimes you just have to play ball. Play ball on your own terms and make sure you voice criticism and opposition for the record, but still just play ball. AOC and fellow DSA Congressmembers will get plenty in the coming two years, but please don't become the Democratic Freedom Caucus.
 
The fact that the paygo rules in the House are basically meaningless makes it even sillier to include, IMO. It's just playing into Republican messaging that bills have to be paid for when Dems are in power while Republicans are free to blow a hole in the deficit whenever they feel like a tax cut is in order. (And they'll still cry and claim Dem bills aren't paid for anyway.)
 
avalon said:
The fact that the paygo rules in the House are basically meaningless makes it even sillier to include, IMO. It's just playing into Republican messaging that bills have to be paid for when Dems are in power while Republicans are free to blow a hole in the deficit whenever they feel like a tax cut is in order. (And they'll still cry and claim Dem bills aren't paid for anyway.)
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But but but my knee jerk centrist talking points
 
LadyDeac03 said:
They had a conversation about this on yesterday's Pod Save America. It's already a law. And as District said, it can be easily be waived by a simple majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate...so basically the number of votes you need to pass legislation.
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I understand the argument why it's not a big deal, but what's the argument for including it in the first place?
 
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