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Phillip Seymour Hoffman Found Dead

I mean, I've never seen anyone destroyed by heroin but I know ultimately it's bad news and never ends well. Can only think of two people in college who messed with it and I avoided those people- the dude was a douchebag and he got his hot girlfriend hooked on it.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
You ever been around anyone shooting up? Seeing as it was so plentiful how'd you avoid it?
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Most of my friends were into pills in high school and then we dispersed for college. The people I kept in touch with from HS were pretty driven and went to good schools, so while they screwed around with drugs, they never really took the leap into heroin. There were a few times at parties that I saw kids shoot up and mostly ignored it. Like I said, it's a progression...pills-->heroin-->sobriety---> relapse--->death. When I was in high school it was easy as hell to get pain killers but that dried up and most kids just gave up on opiates but some made the jump to heroin. Now you need a crooked doctor, an act of Congress or a severed limp to get heavy narcotics legally.
 
A lot of PSH's early roles have been getting the love on this thread, but I think he really shined in his lead roles. He was on g-d fire in the mid to late 00's:

1. Andy Hanson - Before The Devil Knows You're Dead
2. Father Flynn - Doubt
3. Caden Cotard - Synecdoche, New York
4. Truman Capote
5. Lancaster Dodd - The Master

It's pretty amazing how he was able to play such intense-almost manic roles and keep them grounded and believable.
 
Heroin deaths up 84% in NYC.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/nyregion/hoffmans-heroin-points-to-surge-in-grim-trade.html?smid=fb-nytimes&WT.z_sma=NY_HHP_20140203&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1388552400000&bicmet=1420088400000&_r=0
Staten Island, where prescription drug addiction has been especially virulent, has the city’s highest rate of heroin overdoses, though a connection has not been established...They reflect an increasingly young and middle-class clientele, who often move from prescription pills to needles
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Various brands, too, have been around for decades. “There always have been markings going back as far as Nicky Barnes,” said James J. Hunt, the acting head of the Drug Enforcement Administration’s New York office. “Now the difference is that the addicts you see a lot are young suburban kids starting on prescription drugs, and they graduate to heroin.”
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“It’s like somebody setting up a big production factory in China and the product is going to go out through to the world,” Ms. Brennan said. “That’s how I look at these production mills that we’re seeing in New York. Some will stay here in the city, but it’s mostly intended for distribution.” (A $6 bag in the city could fetch as much as $30 or $40 in parts of New England, authorities have said.)
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Only $6 for what most addicts will describe as the most amazing high imaginable- that's incredibly cheap! Of course they'll soon start needing more and more to get that rush. Anyway, easy to see how it's on the rise. It's plentiful and cheap.
 
Caturdayredux said:
Most of my friends were into pills in high school and then we dispersed for college. The people I kept in touch with from HS were pretty driven and went to good schools, so while they screwed around with drugs, they never really took the leap into heroin. There were a few times at parties that I saw kids shoot up and mostly ignored it. Like I said, it's a progression...pills-->heroin-->sobriety---> relapse--->death. When I was in high school it was easy as hell to get pain killers but that dried up and most kids just gave up on opiates but some made the jump to heroin. Now you need a crooked doctor, an act of Congress or a severed limp to get heavy narcotics legally.
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This NY Times article completely fits with what you're saying.
Some officials fear that efforts to drive down abuse of prescription medications could be contributing to rising heroin use in New York City, as it has in places like Maine.

“What we’re seeing, as pills become more difficult to access, is a shift to the black market and heroin,” said Dr. Andrew Kolodny, the chief medical officer at the Phoenix House Foundation, a drug-treatment center, and president of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing. “It’s not easy to get the opioid genie back into the bottle.”

It is a cycle that friends of Mr. Hoffman, who was 46, said may have recently taken hold in his life as well.
Last year, he checked into a rehabilitation program for about 10 days, a move that came after a reliance on prescription pills led to a return to heroin, after what he said had been a clean period spanning two decades.
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I've seen the needle and the damage done.

The needle is a one-way ticket to the grave.
 
When I was at SSA I saw a lot of cases of opioid addiction that started out as a legitimate injury. It's a big reason I'm firmly in the medical marijuana camp.
 
So the "Phillip Seymour Hoffman death reports are a hoax" report itself turned out to be a hoax. Really through the looking glass.

Also, Caturday has known 20+ people who have died from a heroin overdose. Is anyone else impressed by that? I bet most rock stars' roadies can't even boast a number like that. Is it possible that Caturday carries a curse that those who play high school sports with him DIE? Like, he is the living version of King Tut's Tomb.
 
Say Hey Deac said:
So the "Phillip Seymour Hoffman death reports are a hoax" report itself turned out to be a hoax. Really through the looking glass.

Also, Caturday has known 20+ people who have died from a heroin overdose. Is anyone else impressed by that? I bet most rock stars' roadies can't even boast a number like that. Is it possible that Caturday carries a curse that those who play high school sports with him DIE? Like, he is the living version of King Tut's Tomb.
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There was one type of heroin in Pittsburgh that killed over 40 people. Maybe he lived there. But yeah, it's crazy as the vast majority of people who do it aren't gonna die or even end up addicted (though the addiction rate is pretty high). So to know about 20 people who OD'd, that's crazy.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
There was one type of heroin in Pittsburgh that killed over 40 people. Maybe he lived there. But yeah, it's crazy as the vast majority of people who do it aren't gonna die or even end up addicted (though the addiction rate is pretty high). So to know about 20 people who OD'd, that's crazy.
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I would think that by the time anyone moves to heroin they are already addicted to something. Can't imagine a lot of people make the jump from booze/weed to heroin. Also, if you know a lot of people who do hard core drugs, then you're going to know a lot of people who OD on those drugs. (not that 20 isn't a lot of people)
 
Say Hey Deac said:
So the "Phillip Seymour Hoffman death reports are a hoax" report itself turned out to be a hoax. Really through the looking glass.

Also, Caturday has known 20+ people who have died from a heroin overdose. Is anyone else impressed by that? I bet most rock stars' roadies can't even boast a number like that. Is it possible that Caturday carries a curse that those who play high school sports with him DIE? Like, he is the living version of King Tut's Tomb.
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Maybe his baseball/golf team was riding the team bus and avoided a catastrophic accident where they were all supposed to die and this is nature's way of settling the score. The deer that Caturday avoided was just him continuing to avoid death. FINAL DEERSTINATION anyone?
 
The main thing I took from this story is that bmoney, given your experimentation with heroin and your connection to Caturday, you are very fortunate to be alive.
 
BobStackFan4Life said:
There was one type of heroin in Pittsburgh that killed over 40 people. Maybe he lived there. But yeah, it's crazy as the vast majority of people who do it aren't gonna die or even end up addicted (though the addiction rate is pretty high). So to know about 20 people who OD'd, that's crazy.
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Doing oxy became somewhat of a recreational fad in certain places over the past 5 years and was heavily used in certain circles so I can see how one person might know a lot of pill addicts. Hopefully the crack down on it will stop pill use that leads to this mess.

The situation in Pittsburgh is just a recent thing..the fentanyl/heroin mixture. Fentanyl is ~100x more potent but some analogs are 10,000 times more potent...and are very easy to make. 1 kilo goes a long way which makes it lucrative if you can get people to control the dose.

One company people might keep an eye on is Trevena (http://www.trevenainc.com/). They are developing a safer mu opioid analgesic based on the biased agonist approach (Nobel Prize last year). Such a drug would replace Oxy.
 
Seriously, this should be all the high you need:

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Anything else is superfluous FOLLY.
 
Everyone has an addiction to something. Food, porn, drugs, money, power......... If it can be sought after, you can develop an addiction to it. Quit pointing fingers. Use what happens around us to make us better friends, siblings, parents, whatever.
 
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