Wakeforest22890
Snowpom
And instead of bringing those problems up and talking about them, you choose to make fun of people who are bringing up problems you don't deem worthy. Seems like a productive use of time from the sidelines.
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And instead of bringing those problems up and talking about them, you choose to make fun of people who are bringing up problems you don't deem worthy. Seems like a productive use of time from the sidelines.
I wasn't arguing that.
You said that the vast majority of native people live in suburban/urban areas with access to internet, phone, clean water, etc.
I think that statement is inaccurate and provided support. And for almost all of the measurements of poverty, Indian Country lags behind the rest of the nation. So you can't just dismiss it with "there are podunk places everywhere."
DaDeacs
Dickie Hemric
Bro - for fucks sake, pay attention - tribal lands account for 25% of the native population, and over 50% have broadband - you are trying to make a point based on 12% of a population - and even if that 12% was SOOO enraged by it, it would still be a vast majority that wouldn't care about the topic. Shocker, it's not an issue for them either.
Jesus man, learn math.
DaDeacs
Dickie Hemric
Yes I can. 70%+ is a vast majority. It mirrors the population of the USA - have you been to East Tennessee in the mountains? I dug outhouses there a couple of summers ago for a bunch of rednecks - guess what, there are podunk places everywhere. There are also reservations and native lands that are out in the middle of nowhere - but we are talking about a small percentage.
I'll keep wasting my time focusing on such speculative, unproven theories like family structure, completing your free public education and entering the workforce. You keep changing the world one hashtag at a time. It's hard to argue with success, right?
If only one person is offended, it's five people too many.
DaDeacs
Dickie Hemric
The numbers were broadband internet, not regular internet or mobile phones - and that stat was from 2010 in the document earlier - the change from then to now is huge.
Either way, my last post came off mean towards you - it was not intentional - I think you have argued a good point, I disagree with it, but you have been been upfront.
I appreciate that.
There should be room for debate on this issue between the extremes of "its just like the n-word" and "PC run amok."
The name doesn't personally offend me because I'm not native. But I happen to think that native mascots can perpetuate bad stereotypes among less educated people who have little to no interaction with native people. It leads to unwanted behavior of fans, misappropriating native culture/traditions.
I don't think that position is that extreme. The Wapo poll probably ends the public debate for now. And I think it is unfortunate that the poll effectively silences the voices of native people that are trying to participate in the debate.
There should be room for debate on this issue between the extremes of "its just like the n-word" and "PC run amok."
The name doesn't personally offend me because I'm not native. But I happen to think that native mascots can perpetuate bad stereotypes among less educated people who have little to no interaction with native people. It leads to unwanted behavior of fans, misappropriating native culture/traditions.
I don't think that position is that extreme. The Wapo poll probably ends the public debate for now. And I think it is unfortunate that the poll effectively silences the voices of native people that are trying to participate in the debate.
2&2 Slider To Leyritz
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What stereotypes are they? That modern Native Americans are riding around on horses wearing headdresses and scalping people? Come on, man. I have a pretty low view of the intelligence of my fellow Americans, but even I wouldn't go that far.
And even if that is the stereotype, that is a pretty fucking metal stereotype to have against you.
Do you believe that the highest educated Americans have more interactions with indigenous peoples than the Dumbs? Lot of Yalies and Stanford grads working alongside native peoples on reservations in the mountain west regions in your experience? Quit drinking your own juice, man.
BarcaDeac
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savages, alcoholics, lazy, etc
I'm familiar with Millennials, but this thread is about a football team.
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2&2 Slider To Leyritz
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Right, because alcoholics and lazy are stereotypes commonly associate with a football team. And savages in this context, to the extent it is being used, is being used in a positive way. How is this any different than Celtics? I think there is even more of a theoretical alcoholism connection with that one.
awaken
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or the Fighting Irish: belligerent alcoholics
19deac92
You are a meathead.
EatLeadCommie
Tommy Elrod
I laughed.
DeaconSlim2.0
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The only point I ever tried to make was that poll numbers involving this issue aren't the most accurate.
Your response has been "who cares if its accurate, it still doesn't matter."
I wasn't saying if you were able to poll every Native American that lives on tribal lands then the vote would be a landslide against the team name. But when your entire argument is that so few people care about it, pointing out that more could actually care than is being reported is a relevant fact.
But like I said, you (typically) aren't going to change your mind, regardless of how many people are offended.
And good look reaching out to the Native population to work on the "real issues" when its such a life-ender to change a potentially offensive NAME of a sports team. I'm sure they'll really trust that progress can be made.