Roopstigo: Auburn bribed players, changed grades under Chizik

[jhmd2000]

I feel bad for Adam. He's placed a great deal of faith in the NCAA's failure to find wrongdoing. That's fine, I guess, but let's not pretend they were actively looking. The "investigation" was pending at the time Auburn was scheduled to play for a championship. I think Cam was reported as ineligible on the Monday before the championship game, and then declared re-eligible by gametime. Likewise, Pryor was found to be ineligible by any objective standard, and even the NCAA had to admit that it was unsalvageble, but like Cam, was then-scheduled to play in a BCS game. Unable to look past the obvious, the NCAA fashioned the ad hoc remedy of suspending next year's team for Pryor's wrong-doing. Slow clap.

I don't doubt Adam has been fielding heaps of trash from the Tuscaloose Treekillers. I assume that they also believe their program is clean. If we've all decided to trade delusions, then I guess water has found its level.

 

[WakeFanAdam]

I feel bad for Adam. He's placed a great deal of faith in the NCAA's failure to find wrongdoing. That's fine, I guess, but let's not pretend they were actively looking. The "investigation" was pending at the time Auburn was scheduled to play for a championship. I think Cam was reported as ineligible on the Monday before the championship game, and then declared re-eligible by gametime. Likewise, Pryor was found to be ineligible by any objective standard, and even the NCAA had to admit that it was unsalvageble, but like Cam, was then-scheduled to play in a BCS game. Unable to look past the obvious, the NCAA fashioned the ad hoc remedy of suspending next year's team for Pryor's wrong-doing. Slow clap.

I don't doubt Adam has been fielding heaps of trash from the Tuscaloose Treekillers. I assume that they also believe their program is clean. If we've all decided to trade delusions, then I guess water has found its level.

Maybe it wasn't as in-depth of a search as has happened at other schools. But who's fault is that? Not Auburn's. Let's play what-if. Wake Forest gets accused of paying players. The UNC state media is all over it. And since ESPN does nothing but report what someone else reports first, the story goes national. NCAA spends a few months in W-S, the entire country is saying guilty, but the NCAA leaves saying they found nothing. A majority of Wake fans on this board would stand by the NCAA when UNC, Duke, and State trolls come over here saying it still happened.
(And I think it was a few days before the Georgia game he got suspended and reinstated.)

 

[WakeFanAdam]

Thanks for clearing that up.

You open the door first, its fair game.

 

[West End Deac]

Only dv7 gets to call people a cunt around here.

Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you have to act like a cunt. I'm defending my opinion without attacking any poster personally. And I do need to clear up the difference because not everyone does know the difference. Go back and read some of the crap in this thread. And I have been around Alabama fans my whole life so I am used to people hating on Auburn. But I expect it from that ignorant Walmart crowd; not a more in-tune intelligent fan base like this one. Oh, and "Poor baby?" Fuck you.

 

[Ball State Deac]

Maybe it wasn't as in-depth of a search as has happened at other schools. But who's fault is that? Not Auburn's. Let's play what-if. Wake Forest gets accused of paying players. The UNC state media is all over it. And since ESPN does nothing but report what someone else reports first, the story goes national. NCAA spends a few months in W-S, the entire country is saying guilty, but the NCAA leaves saying they found nothing. A majority of Wake fans on this board would stand by the NCAA when UNC, Duke, and State trolls come over here saying it still happened.
(And I think it was a few days before the Georgia game he got suspended and reinstated.)

Doesn't make it correct, even if true, which I doubt.

 

[WakeFanAdam]

Only dv7 gets to call people a cunt around here.

I wasn't aware. My apologies to dv7

 

[jhmd2000]

You open the door first, its fair game.

You weren't even responding to me in that post. It's cool, I don't have a dog in the fight, I just thought that "F. You" is a strange way to end a post that began with "I'm just over here cool, calm and collected answering with the facts, ain't nothin' personal."

 

[jhmd2000]

I feel bad for Adam. He's placed a great deal of faith in the NCAA's failure to find wrongdoing. That's fine, I guess, but let's not pretend they were actively looking. The "investigation" was pending at the time Auburn was scheduled to play for a championship. I think Cam was reported as ineligible on the Monday before the championship game, and then declared re-eligible by gametime. Likewise, Pryor was found to be ineligible by any objective standard, and even the NCAA had to admit that it was unsalvageble, but like Cam, was then-scheduled to play in a BCS game. Unable to look past the obvious, the NCAA fashioned the ad hoc remedy of suspending next year's team for Pryor's wrong-doing. Slow clap.

I don't doubt Adam has been fielding heaps of trash from the Tuscaloose Treekillers. I assume that they also believe their program is clean. If we've all decided to trade delusions, then I guess water has found its level.

I think the take-home for me is that ALL of major college football is filthy and crooked. That includes everybody in the SEC, a very good portion of the Big 10, the good teams in the Pac 12, the ACC teams that are trying to win and certainly Texas (wasn't it Colt McCoy's girlfriend that got caught talking about money a few years ago?) I don't want you to confuse me as simply singling Auburn out of a crowd. EVERYBODY in that crowd is filthy (case in point: A legend of the game turned a blind eye to child rape. Child. Rape). In 2010, Auburn was the best of those teams (Look at the team they beat: currently under investigation).

 

[WakeFanAdam]

You weren't even responding to me in that post. It's cool, I don't have a dog in the fight, I just thought that "F. You" is a strange way to end a post that began with "I'm just over here cool, calm and collected answering with the facts, ain't nothin' personal."

It wasn't you you, it was generalized you. Sorry, I should have been more specific.

 

[WakeFanAdam]

I think the take-home for me is that ALL of major college football is filthy and crooked. That includes everybody in the SEC, a very good portion of the Big 10, the good teams in the Pac 12, the ACC teams that are trying to win and certainly Texas (wasn't it Colt McCoy's girlfriend that got caught talking about money a few years ago?) I don't want you to confuse me as simply singling Auburn out of a crowd. EVERYBODY in that crowd is filthy (case in point: A legend of the game turned a blind eye to child rape. Child. Rape). In 2010, Auburn was the best of those teams (Look at the team they beat: currently under investigation).

Thats a very fair assessment. And I too have my suspicions of some programs. But its now apparent I differ from some on here on how I chose to voice my suspicions. Some are more openly and strongly vocal and feel the NCAA is a guilty until proven innocent world. I hold my suspicions more closely and wait until investigations have concluded to chime in. I'm not saying my way is better, its just the environment of message boards. So I'll have to adapt.

 

[BacktoBack]

Thats a very fair assessment. And I too have my suspicions of some programs. But its now apparent I differ from some on here on how I chose to voice my suspicions. Some are more openly and strongly vocal and feel the NCAA is a guilty until proven innocent world. I hold my suspicions more closely and wait until investigations have concluded to chime in. I'm not saying my way is better, its just the environment of message boards. So I'll have to adapt.

Your approach is really the more logical one. I happen to take it myself. Maybe we are both gullible. However, you'll find this message board, like many, has a view on the world as seen by Wake Forest. We as a fan base have generally decided for right or wrong that we can't compete with the big boys of sports. So we tell ourselves that we are smarter or "do it right" while all the other fan bases are idiot fools or are cheats. When one of these "lesser" teams has some smoke around their program, we jump at the chance to trumpet how foul they are, all the while hoping to indirectly show how pure we are. Reality is things are probably done differently in the SEC than at Wake, but a rush to conviction when the governing body of the sport has found insufficient evidence to levy ANY punishment at all, reeks of a LOWF mentality. I will continue to admit as an Auburn fan that things certainly don't look good from the outside, but since the NCAA has spent time doing their jobs, I'll accept their findings- much as I would have if they had found wrongdoing and put Auburn on probation or reduced scholarships or done anything at all.

 

[jhmd2000]

Your approach is really the more logical one. I happen to take it myself. Maybe we are both gullible. However, you'll find this message board, like many, has a view on the world as seen by Wake Forest. We as a fan base have generally decided for right or wrong that we can't compete with the big boys of sports. So we tell ourselves that we are smarter or "do it right" while all the other fan bases are idiot fools or are cheats. When one of these "lesser" teams has some smoke around their program, we jump at the chance to trumpet how foul they are, all the while hoping to indirectly show how pure we are. Reality is things are probably done differently in the SEC than at Wake, but a rush to conviction when the governing body of the sport has found insufficient evidence to levy ANY punishment at all, reeks of a LOWF mentality. I will continue to admit as an Auburn fan that things certainly don't look good from the outside, but since the NCAA has spent time doing their jobs, I'll accept their findings- much as I would have if they had found wrongdoing and put Auburn on probation or reduced scholarships or done anything at all.

Or perhaps there is gambling in the casino. Which'evs.