SayHeyDeac's Thread For Serious Political Discourse Only--Trolls Need Not Apply

[knowell]

Sailor blamed Clinton for the state of the Middle East. Not a serious post.

The Obama policies have undoubtedly furthered instability in the Middle East. How much of that is Hillary vs Obama is hard to say. She certainly seemed thrilled with Lybia at the time of the bombing and the death of Gaddafi. There is no doubt in hindsight that the intervention was a disaster.

 

[RJKarl]

Trump paid a videographer to come in and tape his support of invading Libya.

The main reasons we went into Libya were Gadaffi's slaughter of his own people and our NATO partners demanding it to avoid a torrent of immigrants.

 

[PhDeac]

Speaking of SNL, it ought to be over the top this weeken with debate replays.

I have no idea why SNL dropped Jay Pharaoh and Taran Killiam, easily their best two male performers.

No doubt we're going to get a steady dose of Kate McKinnon with her Hillary impression and her Emmy nom. She's good, but much like Kristen Wiig, she shouldn't get the push she gets.

 

[birdman]

The Obama policies have undoubtedly furthered instability in the Middle East. How much of that is Hillary vs Obama is hard to say. She certainly seemed thrilled with Lybia at the time of the bombing and the death of Gaddafi. There is no doubt in hindsight that the intervention was a disaster.

It is ridiculous to blame the middle east on Hillary and call her ineffective or a failure because the middle east is currently in a period of elevated conflict. The middle east has been mired in territorial and religious conflict since before the Romans invaded. It has waxed and waned in intensity and violence but to assert the situation is quantifiably worse now than it was in 2007 is not a serious assertion.

 

[knowell]

It is ridiculous to blame the middle east on Hillary and call her ineffective or a failure because the middle east is currently in a period of elevated conflict. The middle east has been mired in territorial and religious conflict since before the Romans invaded. It has waxed and waned in intensity and violence but to assert the situation is quantifiably worse now than it was in 2007 is not a serious assertion.

You do not think Obama's policies in regards to Iraq, Lybia, and Syria worsened the situation? Lybia is the most cut and dried. Leaving Gaddafi in charge was imminently preferable to what is there now. Syria is hard, but making the idle threat was unhelpful. I would surmise that Bashar Al-Assad is preferable to ISIS but not by a ton. Iraq is primarily Bush's baby and that invasion is the start of all we have. That said, Iraq was stable when Obama decided to remove all troops. He has brought back a good number of troops now but likely ISIS is still born or at least much smaller with a different decision there.

Not sure how much of this is on Hillary. Kind of like blaming the assistant coach for Bzdelick's failures, but she was there and I assume she had input. It was certainly not a successful time.

 

[Deacsfan27]

I don't know if you're joking or what, but it's spelled "Libya", not "Lybia". You've done it twice on this page.

That's all I have to bring to the table.

 

[birdman]

You do not think Obama's policies in regards to Iraq, Lybia, and Syria worsened the situation? Lybia is the most cut and dried. Leaving Gaddafi in charge was imminently preferable to what is there now. Syria is hard, but making the idle threat was unhelpful. I would surmise that Bashar Al-Assad is preferable to ISIS but not by a ton. Iraq is primarily Bush's baby and that invasion is the start of all we have. That said, Iraq was stable when Obama decided to remove all troops. He has brought back a good number of troops now but likely ISIS is still born or at least much smaller with a different decision there.

Not sure how much of this is on Hillary. Kind of like blaming the assistant coach for Bzdelick's failures, but she was there and I assume she had input. It was certainly not a successful time.

No American Secretary of state has been successful in the Middle East. The Libya, Syria, Egypt and Tunisia revolutions were all the result of George Bush's blessed Arab Spring, which was doomed to failure before it started. These "countries" were created in the post WWI period when the victors in Europe carved up the Ottoman empire and the German over seas holdings. The carvers ignored religious and ethnic spatial distributions and just created some countries (see the link below). The countries only persisted as long they did because each one had a dictatorial system of government that brutally suppressed any opposition, e.g. Iraq. Removing Saddam Hussein was the dumbest foreign policy move since the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The suppressed populations throughout the middle east thought that the US and Britain would come to help them topple their own dictators after they heard about what happened in Iraq, however it has all completely backfired. Iraq, Syria and Libya are a mess, Egypt is in the hands of religious zealots and I am not up to date on Tunisia. Blaming Obama and, as Sailor was, Clinton, for the problems in Iraq, Syria, Libya and with ISIS and not Bush is like when my daughter blames me for the stain in the carpet when cat the pukes. I can accept that Obama and his team have not handled it very well at times, but seriously, the Middle East has been mishandled by the west for over a century, but really, at least since the crusades.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/kovgs5/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-sir-archibald-mapsalot-iii

 

[knowell]

I don't know if you're joking or what, but it's spelled "Libya", not "Lybia". You've done it twice on this page.

That's all I have to bring to the table.

just like Dubya. Everyone needs an Allepo moment.

 

[knowell]

No American Secretary of state has been successful in the Middle East. The Libya, Syria, Egypt and Tunisia revolutions were all the result of George Bush's blessed Arab Spring, which was doomed to failure before it started. These "countries" were created in the post WWI period when the victors in Europe carved up the Ottoman empire and the German over seas holdings. The carvers ignored religious and ethnic spatial distributions and just created some countries (see the link below). The countries only persisted as long they did because each one had a dictatorial system of government that brutally suppressed any opposition, e.g. Iraq. Removing Saddam Hussein was the dumbest foreign policy move since the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The suppressed populations throughout the middle east thought that the US and Britain would come to help them topple their own dictators after they heard about what happened in Iraq, however it has all completely backfired. Iraq, Syria and Libya are a mess, Egypt is in the hands of religious zealots and I am not up to date on Tunisia. Blaming Obama and, as Sailor was, Clinton, for the problems in Iraq, Syria, Libya and with ISIS and not Bush is like when my daughter blames me for the stain in the carpet when cat the pukes. I can accept that Obama and his team have not handled it very well at times, but seriously, the Middle East has been mishandled by the west for over a century, but really, at least since the crusades.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/kovgs5/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-sir-archibald-mapsalot-iii

Cant disagree with that. I would prefer we use our economic clout as opposed to our military might to affect change. We are so far down the interventionist road that I doubt we see a disentanglement in our lifetimes. Certainly Hillary will not help in this matter but she may be better than Obama has been (maybe).

 

[birdman]

Cant disagree with that. I would prefer we use our economic clout as opposed to our military might to affect change. We are so far down the interventionist road that I doubt we see a disentanglement in our lifetimes. Certainly Hillary will not help in this matter but she may be better than Obama has been (maybe).

I actually agree. For me, the most effective argument against Hillary would be her hawkishness. Having said that, Trump is all over the place on Middle East policy. All I know is that he wants to build a wall on the Mexican border and that he'll refuse Syrian refugees. Otherwise he is incoherent on his foreign policy plans.

 

[knowell]

I actually agree. For me, the most effective argument against Hillary would be her hawkishness. Having said that, Trump is all over the place on Middle East policy. All I know is that he wants to build a wall on the Mexican border and that he'll refuse Syrian refugees. Otherwise he is incoherent on his foreign policy plans.

His secret plan is to build a surprise wall to surround ISIS and then starve them out. Flawless and original. Have faith in your future leader.

 

[RJKarl]

A Special Forces vet is doing a crowdfunding project to get Trump to show his tax returns before the election. He put together a group of ten veterans charities that would receive funds from his efforts.

As of Wednesday a little over $134,000 had been pledged. None of it will be charged unless Trump relents.

When Linked In Founder Reid Hoffman heard about this event, he pledged to match every dollar raised up to $1,000,00 FIVE-ONE. Since Hoffman announced this donations have exploded and have reached over $900,000.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ans-groups-if-trump-releases-his-tax-returns/

https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/...d-well-donate-to-these-veterans-organizations

They are thinking this might reach $10,000,000.

Well Donnie, do you really care about the vets? If you show your tax returns (as every major party candidate has for forty years), millions will be given to the vets you allegedly love.

 

[WFFaithful]

It's funny because I feel like the debate bar for Trump has been lowered even further, I guess like into the ground? which makes the remaining two debates wild cards. Though it's just as likely he doesn't change a damn thing. One positive is that early voting has started so the bump has happened at a great time for two weeks of that. Additionally the majority of swing states have registration deadlines that end the day after the second debate, so you will be left only trying to influence people that were engaged enough already to register to vote.

I was thinking the debate bar was going to be higher this time because so many people watched the first and he did so poorly. He had a ton of ground to make up. He not only has to reach the low bar of the first debate (not acting like an asshole and not sounding stupid all night) but this time around he'll actually have to sound smart.

He raised the bar on himself when he said he was going easy on Clinton and now would take the gloves off.

 

[JManslow]

I have no idea why SNL dropped Jay Pharaoh and Taran Killiam, easily their best two male performers.

No doubt we're going to get a steady dose of Kate McKinnon with her Hillary impression and her Emmy nom. She's good, but much like Kristen Wiig, she shouldn't get the push she gets.

She's by far the best female cast member. Vanessa Bayer is very good too.


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[FuckmouthedRube]

In all seriousness, Trump tweeted crazy shit last night at 3:20 AM, 5:14 AM, 5:19 AM, and 5:30 AM. What is going on with this dude? I mean, other than:

Trump simply can't help himself. His kids have to have told him why going after Megyn Kelly was a problem, but he still took the bait and went after Heidi Cruz later. His wife and kids have implored him not to tweet late at night/early in the morning, but he can't resist. Conway's told him they need suburban women, but he still went after Machado five days after his alleged triumphant debate.

Little doubt that he'll go after Bubba, but the questions are when and how. He always plays to the crowd and the next debate is a town hall format. Can't stand getting booed and he'll lose the room if he goes hard negative. Can talk about it post debate or via surrogate, but Rudy and Newt aren't exactly choir boys either.

Pretty clear that Trump cheated on his first wife with Marla Maples and bragged (via John Miller/John Barron) about cheating on her. None of his adult kids want another public discussion about that. Bubba's baked into the cake, but Hillary can acknowledge problems and note they're still together after 40+ years.

 

[DeacWatcher]

Going after Bubba and Monica is pointless. MO is a pretty red state but even they won't stand for childish pranks from Trump.

 

[ThinkingWithMyDeac]

Seriously how can one single comment send someone so far into a spiral of shit. Like you just say we had a contract I should have never dealt with her weight gain the way I did and move on. Instead we now have Trump defending and doubling down over and over, while now pivoting towards full on Bill cheating and such while in the same tone dismissing his own cheating and marriages. All while having the idea that all this will help with woman voters, in assuming he came up with that on his own because no way was he advised to go down this path.

 

[FuckmouthedRube]

Trump's easily baited on women and questions about his wealth. Forbes now claims he's "only" worth $3.7B, down $800M in the last year. Still claims he's worth more than $10B. Way wealthier than any presidential candidate ever, so insane to inflate it so dramatically. Cuban, Buffett, Bloomberg, or Bezos will bait him into another meltdown at some point. Also don't think we've heard the last word from the Khans and the disabled report. Trump's campaign should be prepared for those angles, but Trump's own self-inflicted Bubba affairs wound will be much more damaging.

 

[Deacfreak07]

Trump's easily baited on women and questions about his wealth. Forbes now claims he's "only" worth $3.7B, down $800M in the last year. Still claims he's worth more than $10B. Way wealthier than any presidential candidate ever, so insane to inflate it so dramatically. Cuban, Buffett, Bloomberg, or Bezos will bait him into another meltdown at some point. Also don't think we've heard the last word from the Khans and the disabled report. Trump's campaign should be prepared for those angles, but Trump's own self-inflicted Bubba affairs wound will be much more damaging.

No one should ever doubt that Trump has a tiny penis. He basically advertises it. Is there a man in America with a more fragile masculinity?

 

[JManslow]

FWIW, I think if he goes after Hillary about Bill's past it might end up knocking him out of the race completely. I'm assuming she'll be ready for it and it'll make him look like a victim blaming bully.


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