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SayHeyDeac's Thread For Serious Political Discourse Only--Trolls Need Not Apply

538 currently has Clinton with a 63% chance of winning FL, a 59% chance of winning NC, an 80% of winning PA, and a 52% chance of winning Ohio (!). If you look at 538 tracking history, Trump peaked on July 30th, right after his Convention, with 50.1% chance of winning the presidency. The best he has done since was 45% chance of winning after Hillary disappeared for debate prep and then nearly collapsed in public due to pneumonia.

Don't understand why Trump is dicking around with any states other than FL, PA, OH, and NC. Only has a 5% chance of winning without FL. In NV today and AZ yesterday. Might make his EC vote total look a little better, but his cleanest path is via the big four. Really can't cry rigged system unless it's 273-265 and the deciding state is within 1%.
 
He is in states for rallies, he loves people in the crowds cheering and wearing his shit and treating him like a god. I'm surprised he hasn't held rallies in Alabama and Mississippi lately.
 
Yeah not a surprise because The Atlantic is a sensible, thoughtful organization.
 
Sadly, people who lack sense look at sensible editorial boards as liberal media elites.
 
The Atlantic is endorsing Hillary for President. This is only their 3rd endorsement.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...against-donald-trump/501161/?utm_source=atlfb



The Atlantic has endorsed only three presidential candidates in 159 years. Abraham Lincoln (1860) and Lyndon B. Johnson (1964) were the first two.

Probably the most succinct and well-written synopses of the candidates thus far:

Hillary Rodham Clinton has more than earned, through her service to the country as first lady, as a senator from New York, and as secretary of state, the right to be taken seriously as a White House contender. She has flaws (some legitimately troubling, some exaggerated by her opponents), but she is among the most prepared candidates ever to seek the presidency. We are confident that she understands the role of the United States in the world; we have no doubt that she will apply herself assiduously to the problems confronting this country; and she has demonstrated an aptitude for analysis and hard work.

And then this jewel:

Donald Trump, on the other hand, has no record of public service and no qualifications for public office. His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories and racist invective; he is appallingly sexist; he is erratic, secretive, and xenophobic; he expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself. He is easily goaded, a poor quality for someone seeking control of America’s nuclear arsenal. He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read.
 
Rather than once again listing the positions into which her husband's political career has propelled her, maybe the Atlantic would do well to concentrate on the abysmal quality and results of her decision making in those positions. The only sure things with Hillary are lies, corruption, and poor decision making. Look at the record.

Rather than engaging in yet another left-liberal and corporate elite inspired invective against the Donald, maybe the Atlantic would do better to try to come to grips with the very real shortcomings and failures of the Democratic Party's elitist left-liberal ideology and the unholy alliance of the modern western left with international corporate greed to which the Trump candidacy is a rather imperfect and frustrated response. As bsf has pointed out, at least the Donald is right about two things: trade and immigration. The Atlantic would do well to notice.

As far as the quality of their endorsements are concerned, the Atlantic appears to show a serious intellectual and moral decline and reveals a steady downward spiral in the levels of corruption these endorsed candidates represent. Lincoln was not particularly corrupt; Johnson much more so; while Hillary is hopelessly compromised. In terms of competence, Hillary Clinton is an arrogant, excessively ambitious political incompetent kept afloat by a cynical corporate and financial entourage and its media mouthpieces that hope to capitalize on her prospective presidency. Lincoln and Johnson were skillful politicians.
 
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Trumps trade policies would be disastrous and the only thing you exhibit in your posts is that your irrational hatred of Clinton trumps your love of country because Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to this country.

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Rather than once again listing the positions into which her husband's political career has propelled her, maybe the Atlantic would do well to concentrate on the abysmal quality and results of her decision making in those positions. The only sure things with Hillary are lies, corruption, and poor decision making. Look at the record.

Rather than engaging in yet another left-liberal and corporate elite inspired invective against the Donald, maybe the Atlantic would do better to try to come to grips with the very real shortcomings and failures of the Democratic Party's elitist left-liberal ideology and the unholy alliance of the modern western left with international corporate greed to which the Trump candidacy is a rather imperfect and frustrated response. As bsf has pointed out, at least the Donald is right about two things: trade and immigration. The Atlantic would do well to notice.

As far as the quality of their endorsements are concerned, the Atlantic appears to show a serious intellectual and moral decline and reveals a steady downward spiral in the levels of corruption these endorsed candidates represent. Lincoln was not particularly corrupt; Johnson much more so; while Hillary is hopelessly compromised. In terms of competence, Hillary Clinton is an arrogant, excessively ambitious political incompetent kept afloat by a cynical corporate and financial entourage and its media mouthpieces that hope to capitalize on her prospective presidency. Lincoln and Johnson were skillful politicians.

CDS
 
Any reasonable person would look at The Atlantic's endorsement and realize they're more about the threat posed by the opponents rather than Lincoln, Johnson, and Clinton themselves.
 
Pretty much every editorial board across the political spectrum has been unanimous in their conclusion. That Donald Trump is wholly unfit to be the president of the United States.

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Hillary Clinton is an even greater clear and present danger to the US

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Rather than once again listing the positions into which her husband's political career has propelled her, maybe the Atlantic would do well to concentrate on the abysmal quality and results of her decision making in those positions. The only sure things with Hillary are lies, corruption, and poor decision making. Look at the record.

This is little over-the-top don't you think? She has demonstrated exactly what the Atlantic has said: she has the right to be taken seriously as a candidate. Donald Trump hasn't even earned that basic qualification. At that point in the comparison of the candidates, it's over. He has talked his way out of even being taken seriously.

As for abysmal results, this seems to be the running line. By comparison to other Senators and Secretaries of State, which specific results are you calling abysmal? Libya? Syria? ISIS?

Point us to a Secretary of State that you feel did well and let's draw a comparison on handling of similar crises. The line of thinking seems to be "there is a bunch of bad shit happening in the world so the Secretary of State did a shitty job" and i'm not sure that is an accurate or reliable measure.
 
Both 538 and Princeton models now have HRC at 320. 538 now has IA for Clinton and Trump's lead in AZ is under 1%. Georgia heading back toward margin of error.

Dems won't get their ideal map (Obama 2012 plus AZ, NC, and GA), but a good chance a shitty candidate like HRC exceeds Obama's 332 EVs in 2012. Trump has to ace both debates, HRC has to seriously fuck up, or a huge October surprise has to land or Trump gets beaten soundly. GOP primary voters would own every bit of that beat down.
 
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