Seriously, why hasn't Dino gotten another coaching gig yet?

[deaconson]

I don't think our fan base overrated Bz. Maybe the AD, but not the fan base.

Not sure the boards are a representative sample of our fan base in this case.

Agree with strick. [Redacted] was was at wake 4 years. Think about that. #WellmanOut had enough support from the average fan and big money "yes men" that he was able to destroy a proud program.

 

[Deaconblue]

Agree with strick. [name redacted] was was at wake 4 years. Think about that. #WellmanOut had enough support from the average fan and big money "yes men" that he was able to destroy a proud program.

The length of tenure of [] says more about the state of WFU athletic department finances than it does about real support for []. Yes, there were some other reasons he stayed as long as he did. Unfortunately, Dino Gaudio received a contract extension shortly before being let go. That had to be paid off before [] could be sent out the door permanently. There just isn't anyone (nor multiple someones) who are willing to put up the kind of money it takes to make a coach go away. The pink slip for [] came near the end of what would have been Gaudio's tenure had he worked his contract extension. Much as many wanted [] gone, finances do play into what WFU can do with BB and FB head coaches.

Remember, all of Wake's alumni throughout history could fit into Wake's FB stadium. Many schools couldn't fit a decade's worth of graduates into their stadium.

 

[PhDeac]

Current alumni. Not all alumni ever. Even so that's not to blame for giving a coach an extension 6 months before firing him.

 

[DCDeac]

Funny how when Dino was given the extension, the vast majority of the boards that wanted him fired viewed it as an effort to secure recruiting in the face of his obvious, inevitable removal. He made like $750k and it was just 2 years extra. The buyout would of course be considerably less than that. Drop in the bucket compared to the $1.5+ million per year minimum that any reasonable head of the Wake Forest basketball program would deserve. And who the hell gets a 2 year extension anyway? A 1 year extension would have been completely absurd, so it was the next closest thing to completely absurd Wellman could do to feign confidence in him.

Now there's some myth that he stuck to being a part time 3rd rate announcer for peanuts (no, ESPN is not paying him much for what he does) and is simply avoiding head coaching positions by choice...

Dino is what he is - a solid assistant coach who rode a fluke scenario too close to the sun. He's not wealthy or sitting on piles of Wake payoff money. He's just a pretty good announcer and a pretty mediocre head coach. His joke of an extension was probably the last savvy move the Wake Athletic Department made until they hired Clawson. It should have given Wake a cushion in the event they didn't find a truly excellent replacement for him - instead Wellman "went with his gut" and completed his destruction of the program.

Manning may be a flyer but we're still pretty lucky to have him.

 

[knowell]

The length of tenure of [] says more about the state of WFU athletic department finances than it does about real support for []. Yes, there were some other reasons he stayed as long as he did. Unfortunately, Dino Gaudio received a contract extension shortly before being let go. That had to be paid off before [] could be sent out the door permanently. There just isn't anyone (nor multiple someones) who are willing to put up the kind of money it takes to make a coach go away. The pink slip for [] came near the end of what would have been Gaudio's tenure had he worked his contract extension. Much as many wanted [] gone, finances do play into what WFU can do with BB and FB head coaches.

Remember, all of Wake's alumni throughout history could fit into Wake's FB stadium. Many schools couldn't fit a decade's worth of graduates into their stadium.

Complete logic fail here. That does not mean those in charge were not thinking this way.

The amount of money that keeping BZ cost Wake dwarfs what what they were paying him. Just ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession, etc, should offset paying BZ's salary.

When you look at the long term cost of reputation, ability to recruit, long term fan loss, the loss of a generation of young fans that never become fans, the loss of student fandom and the future revenue cost associated with that all together are many magnitudes the cost of BZ's salary.

On top of the financial cost to the sports program there is a smaller but not insignificant loss of prestige to the University as a whole when you see such complete bungling of high profile situation.

Every single years past the first, the cost of keeping BZ was many times the cost of letting him go.

Penny wise and dollar stupid.

 

[Tobacco Road]

Complete logic fail here. That does not mean those in charge were not thinking this way.

The amount of money that keeping BZ cost Wake dwarfs what what they were paying him. Just ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession, etc, should offset paying BZ's salary.

When you look at the long term cost of reputation, ability to recruit, long term fan loss, the loss of a generation of young fans that never become fans, the loss of student fandom and the future revenue cost associated with that all together are many magnitudes the cost of BZ's salary.

On top of the financial cost to the sports program there is a smaller but not insignificant loss of prestige to the University as a whole when you see such complete bungling of high profile situation.

Every single years past the first, the cost of keeping BZ was many times the cost of letting him go.

Penny wise and dollar stupid.

How much have we increased bball revenue over the last 2 years since firing Bz?

 

[knowell]

Its on the way back. Keeping BZ 4 years pretty much killed it. If he had been let go after 1 or 2 years, it would have just been a blip. Four years was enough to kill the passion for a lot of folks.

 

[PhDeac]

Complete logic fail here. That does not mean those in charge were not thinking this way.

The amount of money that keeping BZ cost Wake dwarfs what what they were paying him. Just ticket sales, merchandise sales, concession, etc, should offset paying BZ's salary.

When you look at the long term cost of reputation, ability to recruit, long term fan loss, the loss of a generation of young fans that never become fans, the loss of student fandom and the future revenue cost associated with that all together are many magnitudes the cost of BZ's salary.

On top of the financial cost to the sports program there is a smaller but not insignificant loss of prestige to the University as a whole when you see such complete bungling of high profile situation.

Every single years past the first, the cost of keeping BZ was many times the cost of letting him go.

Penny wise and dollar stupid.

All true. Doesn't mean the powers that be didn't use that dumb logic. There's a lot of foolishness around Wake leadership.

 

[sailordeac]

Ron does not like to admit mistakes. (Neither does Nathan.) If he did, he would be a lot more busy.

 

[ChrisL68]

I am sure that Dino between his ESPN gig, camps, speaker gigs, etc, is clearing at least $250K-$300K a year and quite possibly more than that. Considering that he had a gig at Wake that paid him north of a million for a 6 year period he is doing just fine.

 

[inspectah]

I am sure that Dino between his ESPN gig, camps, speaker gigs, etc, is clearing at least $250K-$300K a year and quite possibly more than that. Considering that he had a gig at Wake that paid him north of a million for a 6 year period he is doing just fine.

Correct. I doubt anybody on here has any idea what ESPN pays Dino. I certainly don't, but that network has been minting money for years and I'm pretty confident that even their commentators who don't get a ton of air time are paid handsomely.

Dino might suck as a HC, but it's perfectly plausible to think he might prefer to stay on TV even if he had chances to return to coaching. Dino was not going to get hired by Kentucky or Michigan State, but worse coaches than him have managed to stay in the game even after multiple dismissals.

 

[RChildress107]

Amazes me how people continue to conflate Wellman's epic miscalculation of hiring [] with the decision to dump Dino (believing both to be mistakes). Firing Dino made all of the sense in the world as the program was heading full speed into the abyss, and there was no chance that Dino had the ability to change course.

There's a difference between conflating the two and pointing out the two are related. The decision to fire Dino didn't happen in a vacuum. His teams certainly faded down the stretch and underperformed in relation to talent. But he did win 2/3 of his games and brought in talent. He had a top 10 recruiting class coming in the next year. Firing Dino may have been inevitable, but to do it after year 3 was a bold move and only made sense if you were bringing in a clear upgrade.

Wellman didn't get an A for firing Dino and an F for hiring redacted.

He got an incomplete for firing Dino and when he hired redacted both of those grades became F's.

 

[RChildress107]

Dino lost control of his team. There was a key game against Duke where Teague and Ish were at odds. Teague would cross half court and stand in the upper corner of the court not engaged at all in the offense. I think he scored his only two points just before the final buzzer. He was our leading scorer.

Also this never happened.

In our two games against Duke that year Teague had 11 points on 14 shots (W at home) and 28 points on 16 shots (L on road). Looks pretty engaged in the offense to me.

 

[birdman]

There's a difference between conflating the two and pointing out the two are related. The decision to fire Dino didn't happen in a vacuum. His teams certainly faded down the stretch and underperformed in relation to talent. But he did win 2/3 of his games and brought in talent. He had a top 10 recruiting class coming in the next year. Firing Dino may have been inevitable, but to do it after year 3 was a bold move and only made sense if you were bringing in a clear upgrade.

Wellman didn't get an A for firing Dino and an F for hiring redacted.

He got an incomplete for firing Dino and when he hired redacted both of those grades became F's.

Pretty much agree with this (except that giving an F for hiring [Redacted] seems like grade inflation). Unless there were off the court issues that arose suddenly that we don't know about, firing Dino should have been part of a larger plan to improve the program. Wellman should have had a coach lined up and ready to take Dino's place, or at least a few reasonable targets. The worrisome thing is that Wellman's plan was probably [Redacted] all along.

 

[Pilchard]

[redacted] was the plan. Wellman was familiar with him as their paths had crossed before (Redacted and Wellman both coached at Northwestern; Redacted - hoop assistant; Wellman - baseball). Wellman completely overrated []'s accomplishments at AF (when he had moderate success with Chris Mooney's recruits). Wellman has a blind spot for []. Wellman had a plan when he dumped Dino; the plan sucked.

 

[deacs1995]

so you really think redacted was plan a?

 

[PhDeac]

Haven't seen anything to suggest he wasn't.

 

[Deacon92]

And the fact that we had feelers per this board and on the Uva and vt board from Jim larranga and still got redacted says something

 

[ThinkingWithMyDeac]

Also this never happened.

In our two games against Duke that year Teague had 11 points on 14 shots (W at home) and 28 points on 16 shots (L on road). Looks pretty engaged in the offense to me.

I love stuff like this where some dumb olds posts something that is easily refuted because well it's really easy to find stuff on the Internet. No more making shit up and posting it like it's true. You hear that olds you don't even have to keep a journal to remember things.

 

[PhDeac]

People criticize Teague for standing around although I don't remember much movement from LD at SG.