Slaughter in vegas

[DG3]

Gun store owner who sold this asshole guns said he "never gave any indication or reason to believe he was unstable. All necessary background checks and procedures were followed."

What's the gun store owner supposed to do? I haven't looked into what the guys background was, but if it was clear, you would have sold him the weapons to had you owned the store. Unless you employ a gunslingin' clairvoyant, it's gonna be difficult to tell what someone's future intentions are.

I think it's silly to assume someone who is mentally stable with a gun will remain mentally stable with a gun. Power corrupts and the power to kill can definitely corrupt.

I agree. I'd bet nearly 100% of murders/mass shootings that are carried out with legally purchased weapons are done by people who passed the initial background check. It's well past time we tighten that process. I just don't know how it would be done. Mandatory psych evaluation and what would be the equivalent of a concealed carry class could be a good start. It would make folks have to wait at least a month, minimum, before they were eligible to purchase a weapon. Maybe the psych evaluation is a yearly/semi yearly requirement to maintain the license?

 

[BarcaDeac]

You do not understand silencers.

enlighten us, then

 

[PhDeac]

I'd be down with that.

The weird thing about mental health background checks for buying guns is that for some people, the big red flag is the sudden need for a gun in the first place.

 

[Brangus]

So many of you guys are firearm virgins that the ignorance can't be measured.

First RJ:


Still 90% would agree with these:

100% background checks on every sale, gift or transfer of a gun, rifle or anything that shoots a projectile. If you don't, then you are liable.

100% background checks at gun shows - there's nothing in the Constitution about how or where you buy a gun

Make manufacturers produce weapons that aren't easily convertible. If they refuse, write a statute that makes them liable for all damages those weapons create. Every other product is liable for such design issues. There's no excuse to create a loophole for guns.

So I have to go through a background procedure to inherit my grandfather and father's heirloom revolvers, low capacity pistols and two round magazine pump 30" barrel wingshooting shotguns? Or to swap the same from a neighbor? Gimme a break. Think. Do it by category of weapon and magazine (don't say clip) capacity.

Gun shows are sketchy AF so you can have that one.

Anyone can design a conversion method. Don't blame the original manufacturer. They are operating within the law, and there's only so many ways to construct a practical SEMI-automatic rifle. Outlaw and go after the conversion kit guys. Those are the bad actors.

As for fingerprint logins....wildly impractical. There are tens of millions of firearms in the United States. Putting aside revolvers, semi-automatic pistol has been in high capacity production for 100 years. The M-16 (and its variants) are over 50 years old, the AK even older, and AKs are as common as squirrels. Fingerprint tech is a feel good conversation that accomplishes nothing.

 

[DG3]

Republicans need to stand up to the NRA beyond this month and tell the merchants of death to go fuck themselves regarding the silencer law the NRA wants passed this winter.

There is no rational, non-lethal use for a silencer in the hands of the public. Yet the GOP was ready to pass a law legalizing silencers as recently as last week.

There's no question innocent people will die is this law EVER passes. Grow some cajones Republicans.Care more about AMERICANS than the NRA and their death product.

Suppressors are already legal. They also don't work like you may think. The gun is still loud even when suppressed. They're also virtually useless with supersonic rounds. Everyone will still be able to hear a suppressed gun. It's not like Goldeneye.

 

[thatguy2016]

NPR also interviewed the former head of security for Wynn casinos:

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555170215/how-casinos-secure-against-active-shooters-and-other-threats

excerpts:

SIEGEL: But do you mean - do I have you right, though, saying that at at least either the Wynn or the Encore, the places that you consulted with, that if a man were to bring 10 weapons into the hotel to his room, those would all pass through a metal detector at some point?

CHOATE: I'm really not at liberty to discuss this particular (laughter) issue. But I can tell you at least for the properties that I've consulted at, that their ability to be able to detect anomalies such as somebody bringing 10 firearms into a location is quite robust.

...

SIEGEL: I've read on the website of a Las Vegas law firm that while patrons of Las Vegas hotels are free to carry concealed or open-carry weapons on the strip, legally you cannot carry a gun into a Las Vegas casino if that casino has rules forbidding concealed weapons.

CHOATE: I don't believe that there is any property, at least not in Las Vegas, that allows for either open or concealed carry. All properties in Las Vegas resorts are private property. So while this is a concealed carry state, the hotels themselves, by being private property, do not - specifically do not allow for the carrying of firearms on the property.

...

SIEGEL: If I check into the hotel the first time through the front door at the front desk and I put bags in my room, thereafter, might I arrive from the garage and bypass all that and just go straight up from my car to - by elevator up to my floor?

CHOATE: Yes, yes.

SIEGEL: So the future gunman may have entered the hotel without anything that would arouse any suspicion or violate any rule but thereafter might have been able to move things up to his room covertly.

CHOATE: That is correct.

 

[BarcaDeac]

So many of you guys are firearm virgins that the ignorance can't be measured.

First RJ:


Still 90% would agree with these:

100% background checks on every sale, gift or transfer of a gun, rifle or anything that shoots a projectile. If you don't, then you are liable.

100% background checks at gun shows - there's nothing in the Constitution about how or where you buy a gun

Make manufacturers produce weapons that aren't easily convertible. If they refuse, write a statute that makes them liable for all damages those weapons create. Every other product is liable for such design issues. There's no excuse to create a loophole for guns.

So I have to go through a background procedure to inherit my grandfather and father's heirloom revolvers, low capacity pistols and two round magazine pump 30" barrel wingshooting shotguns? Or to swap the same from a neighbor? Gimme a break. Think. Do it by category of weapon and magazine (don't say clip) capacity.

Gun shows are sketchy AF so you can have that one.

Anyone can design a conversion method. Don't blame the original manufacturer. They are operating within the law, and there's only so many ways to construct a practical SEMI-automatic rifle. Outlaw and go after the conversion kit guys. Those are the bad actors.

As for fingerprint logins....wildly impractical. There are tens of millions of firearms in the United States. Putting aside revolvers, semi-automatic pistol has been in high capacity production for 100 years. The M-16 (and its variants) are over 50 years old, the AK even older, and AKs are as common as squirrels. Fingerprint tech is a feel good conversation that accomplishes nothing.

 

[PhDeac]

So many of you guys are firearm virgins that the ignorance can't be measured.

This is what we've done as a country that has gotten us to the point where mass shootings are a near everyday occurrence. I'm not willing to sacrifice on behalf of public safety. There's nothing you f-virgins can do about it. *pew pew*

Fixed for clarity.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

coming from a non-firearm virgin, yeah, you should have to go through a background check to keep your relative's firearms. sorry but gun owners have dropped the ball.

 

[silk]

It ain't hard to make a full auto weapon. The tools and materials are legal. You don't have to be Tony Stark.
About 35 years ago here in the little SE NC town I'm living in a guy got busted for building burp guns in his garage.

 

[Brangus]

coming from a non-firearm virgin, yeah, you should have to go through a background check to keep your relative's firearms. sorry but gun owners have dropped the ball.

I understand the wariness of having people inherit high capacity semi autos (my definition being able to fit a magazine of over 10 rounds, maybe there is a statutory definition). But who keeps custody of Dad's AR (I don't own any of these types of guns) while the beneficiary of the will or trust goes through a background check? The personal representative? Who's to say that person is sane. A bank or the government? Neither want or can afford that responsibility.

I personally would be fine with outlawing magazines over 10 rounds and conversion kits, and having a no questions asked government cash purchase of basically anything anyone wanted to unload; magazines, firearms, firearm mods, ammunition. Amounts can be set by item being sold. The cost of one F-35 would buy a lot of guns and gun products off the streets. Millions of them. And like I said, gun shows need to go. I've been to 4 or 5 (with the idea of selling a gun or picking up a unique antique, which are my favorites), only thing I ever purchased was a book. Vendors and crowds were scary. Lots of Nazi stuff too, which is not cool at all.

 

[SC DEAC]

I just tried to email my senators regarding gun control and I got this:

WEBSITE TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE DUE TO MAINTENANCE.

Normal service will return soon.

 

[DistrictDeacon]

So I have to go through a background procedure to inherit my grandfather and father's heirloom revolvers, low capacity pistols and two round magazine pump 30" barrel wingshooting shotguns? Or to swap the same from a neighbor? Gimme a break. Think. Do it by category of weapon and magazine (don't say clip) capacity.

If you want something that is designed to kill other humans, you should pass a background check. What about that sounds unreasonable to you?

 

[silk]

enlighten us, then

Google maybe.

 

[Louis Gossett Jr]

There's going to need to be a whole new set of laws when you can easily 3D print any gun you want. Right now with the gun culture in our society the new laws will be zero.

 

[ImTheCaptain]

I understand the wariness of having people inherit high capacity semi autos (my definition being able to fit a magazine of over 10 rounds, maybe there is a statutory definition). But who keeps custody of Dad's AR (I don't own any of these types of guns) while the beneficiary of the will or trust goes through a background check? The personal representative? Who's to say that person is sane. A bank or the government? Neither want or can afford that responsibility.
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it's pretty simple: your gun is held by a gun dealer, the same way a gun bought online is

 

[Brangus]

If you want something that is designed to kill other humans, you should pass a background check. What about that sounds unreasonable to you?

Most of what I inherited, with the exception of some antique revolvers, are hunting weapons. That aside, I ask again, how does the background check take place when the owner dies? Who is the custodian of the weapons?

There are hundreds of millions of guns in this country. The genie is out of the bottle. I prefer trying to find a way to make existing weapons less threatening (magazine capacity limitations, purchase of firearms and related materials as mentioned earlier).

 

[Biff Tannen]

There's going to need to be a whole new set of laws when you can easily 3D print any gun you want. Right now with the gun culture in our society the new laws will be zero.

We should probably have palma and dv5.75 3-D print their cocks for comparison.

 

[Liquid Karma]

The sensible solution is to require gun owners to carry insurance.

 

[Brangus]

it's pretty simple: your gun is held by a gun dealer, the same way a gun bought online is

How does the gun get from the dead man's residence to the gun dealer ( I assume you mean an FFA license holder?). Is the person who takes it to the dealer checked? How? Does someone with an FFA drive around town picking up and cataloging dead people's gun's all day while he loses sales online (to another FFA) or retail customers?

It won't work. Let's pursue the stuff that will. Maybe we can buy dead Gramp's pistol off of Nana with some federal cash before she dies and it goes somewhere bad.


Nothing about guns is simple.