DeacMan
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Come on. Ph is obviously smart. I just think he is refusing to see the line of logic the baker will follow in this case. This is not an easy case legally.
How so? On the grounds someone says they'll make a cake for a gay wedding? That dog would never hunt.
In each one of these cases someone is trying to make another person sell a product that goes against their religious beliefs:
- A custom cake for a gay wedding
- Clergy services for an gay wedding (I assume you meant gay here)
- Pork bacon
Seems to me to be yet another example of people using religion as a tool of hate instead of love. I wonder if the people who do strategic planning for big religion worry about their demographics 10-15 years from now.
Dude, there are white people all over the US butthurt over black lives matter.
DeacMan, here's a quick breakdown of your argument:
In two of these, someone is providing a product that would violate their religious beliefs. The clergy is providing a gay wedding. The Muslim is providing pork.
In the third, a baker is providing a cake. A cake is not an endorsement of a wedding. It is a cake.
So where is the line for religious liberty? Use the example I mentioned earlier. Could a tow truck driver refuse to tow the car of a gay couple?
Do we really think God cares what we do or don't eat, or who we do or don't bake cakes for?
Either He doesn't care and all this stupid shit was made up by people for their own purposes, or He does care in which case we're all screwed anyway.
The three great signs of dumbassery: littering, smoking tobacco, and selectively taking literally parts of the multi-translated copy of whatever version of the bible your parents gave you when you were 13.
So where is the line for religious liberty? Use the example I mentioned earlier. Could a tow truck driver refuse to tow the car of a gay couple?
Dude, there are white people all over the US butthurt over black lives matter.
DeacMan, here's a quick breakdown of your argument:
In two of these, someone is providing a product that would violate their religious beliefs. The clergy is providing a gay wedding. The Muslim is providing pork.
In the third, a baker is providing a cake. A cake is not an endorsement of a wedding. It is a cake.
So where is the line for religious liberty? Use the example I mentioned earlier. Could a tow truck driver refuse to tow the car of a gay couple?
Dude, there are white people all over the US butthurt over black lives matter.
Dude. He is being asked to make a cake specifically for a gay wedding. That is a custom made product. He is being asked to work on behalf of a ceremony that violates his religious beliefs. It is exactly the same thing. If two gay people happened to wander into his store and wanted to buy a cake off the shelf your argument would hold water. But that isn't the fact pattern at issue. It isn't hard, Ph. Yet somehow you make it hard for yourself.
Again -
The bakery doesn't generally refuse to sell products (including cakes) to gay people. It refuses to make a commissioned product (a custom cake) for a gay wedding.
The wedding chapel owner doesn't generally refuse to let inter-racial couples get married in the chapel. He just refuses to personally perform the ceremony in the chapel.
The Muslim grocery doesn't generally refuse to sell products to EC's. It refuses to stock and sell them pork.
Only if they broke down on the way to their gay wedding.
I would shit in Pittsnogle's cake
what a colossal waste of time