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The New Socialists

MHBDemon said:
You’re not a troll but your incapable of reading an argument and coherently providing a response. I think most people here understand that. If you’d like to be taken seriously, stop saying anyone that disagrees with you is just like Trump. I’ve told you before that my organizing is nothing like Trump because I’m supporting union rights and organizing against police and prisons. If you want to stick to your argument that I’m just like Trump, then most people will dismiss you as a fool. If you want to keep saying “this is just like Trump” then you have to explain why, and to-date, you haven’t done that. That’s why i tell you to leave me alone.
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I said NOTHING about Trump in the post you copied. I have told why your actions are that way. But you immediately reject anything that asks you to take responsibility for your words.

Every post you make naming me is rife with insults. Then, if I treat you the same way, you cry like a baby.

I have supported unions for longer than you've been alive. I helped local unions defeat a CA law that would have ended their ability to organize and make donations. Again this isn't good enough for you not to name call and throw out insults.

As you can see, neither of my last two posts are anything like you allege.

BTW, Tuffalo is longest tenured socialist on Wake boards. He and I have had multiple, civil discussions. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't , but it's civil. You seem to be totally unwilling to act in that manner.
 
JuiceCrewAllStar said:
so you're saying Obama was not progressive, and he further compromised his centrist values rightward in a misguided effort to unite?
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I’m saying he was more progressive than his policies which were a misguided effort to be pragmatic.
 
RJKarl said:
I said NOTHING about Trump in the post you copied. I have told why your actions are that way. But you immediately reject anything that asks you to take responsibility for your words.

Every post you make naming me is rife with insults. Then, if I treat you the same way, you cry like a baby.

I have supported unions for longer than you've been alive. I helped local unions defeat a CA law that would have ended their ability to organize and make donations. Again this isn't good enough for you not to name call and throw out insults.

As you can see, neither of my last two posts are anything like you allege.

BTW, Tuffalo is longest tenured socialist on Wake boards. He and I have had multiple, civil discussions. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't , but it's civil. You seem to be totally unwilling to act in that manner.
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I couldn't edit..

Once again, you neglect the fact the we agree on most of your positions. But that's not good enough. It has to 100% on every issue. You refuse to accept that we agree much more than we disagree.
 
RJKarl said:
I said NOTHING about Trump in the post you copied. I have told why your actions are that way. But you immediately reject anything that asks you to take responsibility for your words.

Every post you make naming me is rife with insults. Then, if I treat you the same way, you cry like a baby.

I have supported unions for longer than you've been alive. I helped local unions defeat a CA law that would have ended their ability to organize and make donations. Again this isn't good enough for you not to name call and throw out insults.

As you can see, neither of my last two posts are anything like you allege.

BTW, Tuffalo is longest tenured socialist on Wake boards. He and I have had multiple, civil discussions. Sometimes we agree. Sometimes we don't , but it's civil. You seem to be totally unwilling to act in that manner.
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Oh for god’s sake RJ.. you must have really been something before gas lighting. “Is there a bigger asshole on these boards” is less a question and more a rhetorical flourish. I myself have noticed your tireless efforts to endear yourself to no-one and therefore took time out of my busy posting schedule to nominate you for entry into “Les Legion de La Douche”.
 
PhDeac said:
I’m saying he was more progressive than his policies which were a misguided effort to be pragmatic.
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Some call that a basic lack of balls, ie., courage,ie., leadership.

Barack never took a stand he couldn’t back down from. :)
 
PhDeac said:
I’m saying he was more progressive than his policies which were a misguided effort to be pragmatic.
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Perhaps a bit more progressive, but not much.

How he is spending his time and which candidates he is supporting post-presidency is pretty instructive
 
I don’t remember Obama weighing in on any primary races. Do you have a list?
 
PhDeac said:
I don’t remember Obama weighing in on any primary races. Do you have a list?
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Obama endorsed a whole list of candidates, virtually all moderates or incumbents. Reportedly he's not finished, but its very disappointing so far.
 
ph defends obama as vigorously as mdmh defends calipari. giddy up!
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
Obama endorsed a whole list of candidates, virtually all moderates or incumbents. Reportedly he's not finished, but its very disappointing so far.
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According to Slate, there were no incumbents and only one Senate candidate.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...beto-orourke-or-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html

Seems like he endorsed the candidates who he felt needed it and would help. I can understand why he wouldn’t endorse Beto. I can understand why some progressive candidates wouldn’t want an Obama endorsement especially if they’re running as outsiders.
 
The bravery of politics where you only help those who need it and it would help. Why wouldn't he endorse Beto honestly? I don't know much of Beto's platform, but isn't he from a rich Dallas family and went to Woodberry Forest? Is he really that much of an outsider or progressive? Isn't it just an objective indictment of the Obama presidency if people didn't want his endorsement?
 
I don’t know but why wouldn’t he? If he doesn’t want it, what does that say about his legacy?
 
Ok, but is that a problem? Can we not even examine why that is?
 
I don't really care to. I'm not the one making an argument Beto might not want it.

Anyways,

 
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