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The New Socialists

RChildress107 said:
a vast swath of rural white Americans.
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It's erroneous to conflate the interests of Republicans and disenfranchised non-voters. Republican voters are motivated by racial animus, yes. Studies and common sense show that it is prohibitively expensive to flip a Republican vote. I'm not proposing that we try. I'm stating that socialism would me much more popular and motivating to the disenfranchised than the current political status quo.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
It's erroneous to conflate the interests of Republicans and disenfranchised non-voters. Republican voters are motivated by racial animus, yes. Studies and common sense show that it is prohibitively expensive to flip a Republican vote. I'm not proposing that we try. I'm stating that socialism would me much more popular and motivating to the disenfranchised than the current political status quo.
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are rural poor whites currently unaware of the theory of socialism?
 
vadimivich said:
Yep, I'm all for a big tent, but I'm also not touching the center pole to try and expand it.

You're racist or motivated by racial/xenophobic issues? Get the fuck out of here and don't let the door hit you in the ass.

And that definitely means there's at least a portion of poor rural whites who I'm not willing to be involved with.
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and yet

I think the platform should still seek to improve the economic conditions of poor, white racists from rural areas
 
ImTheCaptain said:
are rural poor whites currently unaware of the theory of socialism?
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They are aware of a boogie man called socialism.

I don’t know where MDMH is going with this argument. Everybody else is making the same basic point and he’s stuck on his own thing he thinks we are saying.
 
PhDeac said:
I don’t know where MDMH is going with this argument.
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Not an argument. Someone asked me to expound upon a previous statement I made, about the schism I percieve online between liberal activists and leftist activists.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
It's erroneous to conflate the interests of Republicans and disenfranchised non-voters. Republican voters are motivated by racial animus, yes. Studies and common sense show that it is prohibitively expensive to flip a Republican vote. I'm not proposing that we try. I'm stating that socialism would me much more popular and motivating to the disenfranchised than the current political status quo.
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Where were all of these disenfranchised white rural non-voters during the 2016 democratic primary? Even if there is a silent majority of poor white rural socialists, it doesn’t appear that Bernie is the guy to bring them out of the shadows. I’m all for focusing on turnout rather than flipping Republicans and conservative leaning Independents, but maybe in the short term we should focus on turning out the demographics we know support left leaning candidates.
 
RChildress107 said:
Where were all of these disenfranchised white rural non-voters during the 2016 democratic primary? Even if there is a silent majority of poor white rural socialists, it doesn’t appear that Bernie is the guy to bring them out of the shadows. I’m all for focusing on turnout rather than flipping Republicans and conservative leaning Independents, but maybe in the short term we should focus on turning out the demographics we know support left leaning candidates.
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Your short term strategy is just reactionary politics, and its the only strategy we ever use. It just results in the hell cycle of attrition we're in now where each party takes power for a short time and uses all their capital to undue whatever the last politicians did, and the only people who ever stay politically engaged are the angry reactionary opposition, only every cycle justs gets angrier and more partisan.
 
Catamount is a broken record with the “but Venezuela” takes.
 
unfortunately, it's a compelling enough rhetorical argument for poor rural whites when the alternative is "trust us, this will all work out, eventually...theoretically"
 
Capitalism is going to destroy the planet and you’ll still be harping on “yeah but where has socialism not been suppressed by imperial violence and intervention?”
 
MHBDemon said:
Capitalism is going to destroy the planet and you’ll still be harping on “yeah but where has socialism not been suppressed by imperial violence and intervention?”
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i didn't say i agreed with the argument.

and I hate to break it to you, but humans have been devastating the planet for eons without help from the Invisible Hand
 
ImTheCaptain said:
i didn't say i agreed with the argument.

and I hate to break it to you, but humans have been devastating the planet for eons without help from the Invisible Hand
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Lol this is one step removed from Trump’s “the climate is always changing” take. Humans were not doing irreversible damage to the planet before capitalism.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
i didn't say i agreed with the argument.

and I hate to break it to you, but humans have been devastating the planet for eons without help from the Invisible Hand
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Actually socialist/communist countries have done a good portion of the devastating.
 
MHBDemon said:
Lol this is one step removed from Trump’s “the climate is always changing” take. Humans were not doing irreversible damage to the planet before capitalism.
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Because technology didn't exist. This is an inane post.
 
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