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The New Socialists

Money as speech only helps those that can then afford to say something. Turns out, all they have to say is, “Do whatever it takes to make me more speech, please.”
 
The dude cleans out people's garages for a living. Pretending he is educated on this board gives him about all of the self-worth he is going to get.
 
ChrisL68 said:
The dude cleans out people's garages for a living. Pretending he is educated on this board gives him about all of the self-worth he is going to get.
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this is a bullshit position

what he does for a living -- his own business, no less -- is an elitist position

I don't rock with his political views one iota, but this is whack
 
LOL. Thad has shown no interest in intellectually honest debate. Mock him for the idiot he is and move on.
 
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Kind of sad that this really needs to be explained to anybody. But so be it. The key question is how do we do something effective about it. Was that asked?

As to her final point, that's due to separation of powers. It's not clear that she understands that.
 
sailordeac said:
Kind of sad that this really needs to be explained to anybody. But so be it. The key question is how do we do something effective about it. Was that asked?

As to her final point, that's due to separation of powers. It's not clear that she understands that.
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It’s not clear that you can understand any of the words that you strung together in this post.
 
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hey...try-with-income-equality-and-it-was-miserable

Yet as Democrats justify grandiose proposals by decrying income inequality, many of us who immigrated to the United States from socialist countries see great irony. After all, unending income equality is what drove us to leave our native lands in the first place.

My family left post-Mao Communist China in the mid-1980s precisely because there was so much equality to go around. As a child, I lived in Guangzhou, the third largest city in China. Everyone in my city was equal in having no running hot water, no modern toilet facilities, no refrigerator, no washer, no dryer, and no color television.
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However, don’t for a minute forget the lesson that still applies: When the state runs the economy and its citizens’ lives, there will be plenty of equality in scarcity, poverty and hopelessness.

Today, this is a lesson that prominent Democrats seem eager to forget. Less than 30 years after the former Soviet Union collapsed and the United States emerged victorious from the Cold War, Americans increasingly find it necessary to debate the shortcomings and evils of socialism all over again.
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It was left up to President Trump to declare on Tuesday night: “Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence – and not government coercion, domination and control. We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.”

It is crazy that the leader of the free world had to state this. It is crazier still that he will have to deliver an even more robust defense of democratic capitalism in the run-up to the 2020 presidential election. Hopefully, the Democrats’ vision of economic equality will not prevail.
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sailordeac said:
how are you going to achieve equality of result without that?
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What an extraordinarily dumb question considering literally no one is asking for what you are trying to fearmonger about
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
What an extraordinarily dumb question considering literally no one is asking for what you are trying to fearmonger about
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Somehow Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson created government agencies and got their Congresses to pass a slew of progressive legislation on economic and business matters (such as the FDA and Clayton Anti-trust Act) without ever becoming socialists and nationalizing industries. FDR went to an even further extent with the New Deal without ever nationalizing industries, nor did Truman and his Fair Deal, or JFK and LBJ with their programs, such as the Great Society. The problem isn't that Democrats or progressives in America are socialists, because in the classic sense of the term they're not. The real problem is that the GOP doesn't just oppose socialism, it's that for a century they have (with a few exceptions like Teddy Roosevelt and a few of Eisenhower's programs) fiercely opposed not just socialism, but almost any attempt to regulate corporations or the wealthy, to provide any welfare programs to those who are less well-off, or to do anything that would interfere with unregulated, laissez-faire capitalism in this country. They're not just opposed to "socialism", they insist on framing government welfare and benefit programs, and having the government regulate and monitor corporations, as "socialism." Just look at their desire to privatize Social Security, Medicare, etc.
 
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Why do Republicans call programs that aren’t socialism socialism?
 
you should ask them, they are wrong to do it

there is no reason why this word can only be used on a street corner, or a ... ahem ... barroom level
 
Good answer by AOC. Wish Todd hadn’t kept interrupting her at the beginning.
 
Highland Deac said:
Chuck Todd interviewed AOC recently, and asked her directly about whether a Democratic Socialist could also be a capitalist. Her answer was that is was possible, with some qualifications.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esLJRHU-GvA
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Here, as so often elsewhere, she has no idea of what she is talking about. She's peddling failed fantasies.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. When people become democratic, they rid themselves of socialism.
 
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