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Two tiered elections proposed in KS/AZ , others states to follow

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There's no way this can stand. This is Jim Crow Redux.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/two-tier-voting_n_4066046.html

Republican officials in Arizona and Kansas want to change their voting systems so that one registration would be required for federal elections, and another would be needed for state and local elections.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (R) and Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne (R) plan to implement the new system in their respective states, saying it is the only way to comply with federal voter registration laws, while keeping their state proof of citizenship voting laws in place.

Under the new plan, voters who use a state voter registration form and present proof of citizenship would be able to vote in federal, state and local elections. Those who use a federal form and do not present proof of citizenship would only be able to vote in federal elections.

Bennett told AZcentral.com that the two-tier approach is the best way for the state to address the issue, but added, "it’s not the preferential way to do this."

Kansas and Arizona are suing the U.S. Election Assistance Commission after a U.S. Supreme Court ruling said Arizona could not demand proof of citizenship from those submitting a federal voter registration form. Kobach told Kansas.com that the two-tier system is a "contingency plan" in the event that he loses the lawsuit, which asks federal officials to adopt a separate federal voter registration form for Kansas residents that accommodates the state's proof of citizenship law.

Democrats in both states oppose the two-tier system. Former Kansas state Rep. Ann Mah (D-Topeka), one of Kobach's leading critics, told The Huffington Post that she does not know how such a system would be administered.

"It would be a huge mess," Mah said. "I don't even know how the counties would go about tracking all this and making sure they did it right. The amount of provisional ballots would skyrocket. It would be a huge mess."

Arizona state House Minority Leader Chad Campbell (D-Phoenix) told HuffPost the proposal is "just crazy" and a form of voter suppression. He said he has concerns that voters who do not comply with the proof of citizenship law would be denied the right to vote in state and local races.

"This is obviously a very transparent attempt at voter suppression by the attorney general and the secretary of state," Campbell told HuffPost. "To create a dual system on how to register to vote is insane and possibly illegal."

The new system would be implemented in 2014. But Campbell, a likely 2014 gubernatorial candidate, said he expects a lawsuit to be filed against the state in order to block the two-tier proposal. Bennett is also a candidate for Arizona governor next year.

Kansas state Rep. J.R. Claeys (R-Salina) defended the proposal to HuffPost saying that while it is not the ideal way to run an election, there needs to be a system that protects the proof of citizenship law. He said the current system of signing a form vouching for citizenship is not enough because non-citizens who register would only be caught after they vote.

"It doesn't take into account that if you are going to prosecute someone after the vote is cast, you can't recall someone's vote," Claeys said. "It is important enough to do it on the front end and not the back end."
 
I understand objecting to Voter ID laws but comparing them to Jim Crow laws does absolutely nothing to help your case. At least in the eyes of rational people who understand that requiring the same ID needed to board federally regulated transportation, is not the same thing as a poll tax or only allowing land owners to vote.
 
I love it. It's a big F YOU to the feds. And it's going to look silly if SCOTUS really has to come out and tell a state that citizenship is not a valid requirement for voting in their STATE elections.
 
This isn't about voter ID, Bill. That question is settled. SCOTUS said it was ok in Crawford. This is about (if memory serves correctly) Arizona putting additional proof of citizenship requirements on registration for federal elections. The feds didn't have this in place for some reason and objected to it, so their will trumped that of the states as a matter of preemption. Now the states will have a better vetting process than the feds. Makes the feds look silly.
 
This is 100% about voter suppression.

It's high tech Jim Crow and ELC approves of keeping American citizens from voting.
 
What's so high tech about providing a copy of your birth certificate or naturalization certificate or passport?
 
The reality is you support voter suppression. This is Cuba. Papers please is for dictatorships or racists. If you think is doing this for any reason other than keeping blacks and Hispanics from voting, you are deluding yourself.
 
If you ever wanted to know why nobody on here takes you remotely seriously RJ, just read back through your last two posts.
 
RJ's rhetoric, as usual, doesn't do him any favors, but he's right in that this is 100% about voter suppression. There are about a thousand other things more important for states to worry about.
 
RJ's rhetoric, as usual, doesn't do him any favors, but he's right in that this is 100% about voter suppression. There are about a thousand other things more important for states to worry about.

correct
 
One would think that insuring the sanctity of the vote is pretty fucking important.
 
One would think that insuring the sanctity of the vote is pretty fucking important.

There is no problem. It makes much more sense to hire enough cops to put two outside every bank in the country 24/7/365 just in case each bank gets robbed.
 
Hi my name is BKF and I post the exact same thing in every fucking thread

I did not see the word "Bush" in that post; therefore it was not the "same thing".
 
One would think that insuring the sanctity of the vote is pretty fucking important.

Republicans should work harder to make sure more people vote. Votes are more powerful as more people use them.
 
Republicans support anything that would result in suppressing the vote because that's the only card left in their deck. It's pretty obvious by now that a Republican cannot win a national election if everyone is allowed to vote. They only control the House as a result of gerrymandered districting after their last stand victory...the 2010 mid-term elections...which was timely in that this came after the 2010 census that reallocated congressional votes. Republican state control in many of the states that gained congressional representation then gerrymandered districts in those states to maximize GOP-controlled districts in those states. The results of this were that, nationwide, Democrats won 1.4 million more votes in total House races than the Republicans....but wound up with 33 fewer House seats to show for it.

Ironically, the results of that GOP victory in 2010....which ushered in those Tea Party fanatics in the House....is what history will probably show as the cause of this quickening demise of the Republican Party as a national force in American politics. The Tea Party Republicans in the House are leading to the death of the GOP. What the Democrats might not have been able to do without the losses to Tea Party candidates in 2010, the Republicans are now doing from within.

that and sabotaging education.
 
You know you're just dying to invoke the Bush name. It's probably giving you a semi right now.
 
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