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US News 2024 Rankings (Wake #47)

Atlanta Deacon said:
Wake is too expensive, but the quality of the education for those that can afford it didn't get worse.
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Agreed, but if the cost of attending Wake is rapidly increasing and the quality of education/value of degree isn’t advancing equally fast, doesn’t that mean that Wake’s cost to value ratio is regressing? The discussion of professional value of a college degree vs economic burden of student debt is very relevant in this era - for this generation, so it stands to reason that the most expensive schools are now going to be critiqued the most harshly.
 
Seeking to rank colleges from an economically neutral perspective is just not reasonable IMO. These are ultimately credentials that people are purchasing - their cost is extremely relevant.
 
Does anybody actually disagree that rankings should take that into consideration? Biff is doing whatever Biff does, but I don't think many on here actually think it's a bad idea.
 
thatguy2016 said:
I understand what you are saying but I think this is charitable to WF. WF eliminated need-blind admissions quite a while ago. They know exactly what economic diversity they are accepting.
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True.

And that was fine with them. Until, maybe, now…?
 
WindyCityDeac said:
then you don't call them College Rankings. You call them College Value Rankings
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Yeah - there is definitely value to a college in having a diverse student body, but I don't know how you quantifiably demonstrate how much value it's adding.

Not at all as easy as just looking at salary 10 years out for alums, % admitted to grad school, giving back to the school per alum.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
somehow all the Ivy's still dominate despite this restructuring

MAKES YOU WONDER
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Could you imagine if you put some of these schools in front of Harvard, your rankings would become completely irrelevant. Those top spots are locked till the end of time by historical perspective alone.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Could you imagine if you put some of these schools in front of Harvard, your rankings would become completely irrelevant. Those top spots are locked till the end of time by historical perspective alone.
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USNWR just wanted to juice their fucking clicks to the website and drive conversation/relevance. since there's no competition and nothing schools can do but sour grapes complain, the 'magazine' wins
 
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ImTheCaptain said:
USNWR just wanted to juice their fucking clicks to the website and drive conversation/relevance. sicne there's no competition and nothing schools can do but sour grapes complain, the 'magazine' wins
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No doubt part of their calculation.
 
Wake should have told them to go fuck themselves like Columbia did. Can’t do it after the fact and you dropped in rankings but when they announced the changes they should have noped right out of there.
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
Wake should have told them to go fuck themselves like Columbia did. Can’t do it after the fact and you dropped in rankings but when they announced the changes they should have noped right out of there.
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What did Columbia do?
 
ImTheCaptain said:
USNWR just wanted to juice their fucking clicks to the website and drive conversation/relevance. since there's no competition and nothing schools can do but sour grapes complain, the 'magazine' wins
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probably gotten more clicks from WFU alums than they've ever had
 
Because usnwr said and says they’ll be ranking schools whether they provide data or not.
 
So that makes the ranking even more flawed, cool cool.

Also probably answers why they switched to using federal data, so when other schools tell them to fuck off they can say hey look we still have access to this very niche data and that’s what we have been using.
 
birdman said:
What did Columbia do?
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A math professor at Columbia revealed that Columbia had provided "misleading" (or, wrong) data to USN&WR. Columbia fell from #2 to #18 last year. Columbia said they wouldn't play any more. They are #12 this year.

NY Times Article

It was a math professor at Columbia, Michael Thaddeus, who set off at least some of the backlash against the U.S. News rankings in early 2022 when he posted a 21-page analysis of the rankings, accusing his own school of submitting statistics that were “inaccurate, dubious or highly misleading.”
Dr. Thaddeus said he had found discrepancies in the data that Columbia supplied to U.S. News, involving class size and percentage of faculty with terminal degrees — two of the metrics that U.S. News announced it was eliminating from its calculations.
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The fallout from his accusations led Columbia to acknowledge that it had provided misleading data, and the school did not submit new data last year. Tuesday’s announcement makes that decision permanent.
In making the announcement, Columbia applauded the recent move by U.S. News to focus on the success of colleges in graduating students from different backgrounds. But Columbia also suggested that it was concerned about the inclusion of data from students in its general studies program, who tend to follow nontraditional academic paths.
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I'm sure Columbia was the only school submitting "misleading" data
 
When I started at Wake they didn't have air conditioning in the dorms on the Quad. Rate that !
 
Clearly fall outside the 2000-2010 range and therefore not the greatest generation.
 
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