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WFU Hoops: '24-'25 Roster Construction Thread: (-) Carr, Monsanto, Ituka, Clark, Miller, Marsh, Keller, Canka / (+) Spillers, Biliew, Cosby

rawarr said:
Feels like I’ve already seen how this plays out. We field a team that struggles to gel early and by the time our new guy breaks out and we are looking good, we’re already in ‘must win’ territory with several weeks remaining. I was hoping we’d keep some guys and not go through this again.
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but we can't question the staff's credibility bc that's not fair for reasons x, y, and z, all of which kinda boil down to the staff
 
deacon14 said:
Wake fans want to view their school on a level higher than App, Central Michigan, and Delaware but not on a level lower than other power conference schools. From that perspective, it's logically consistent for Wake fans to rationalize the transfers in but not out.

Also, Wake absolutely has not lost players as important as this to the portal in previous years, so your condescending post doesn't really hit the way you intend. Wake is losing 3 starters to the portal/NBA, which has not happened before and is concerning.
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Pretty much this.

Though we did have LaRavia go pro and Mucius/Walton decline their final year of eligibility in the same offseason. Plus losing ManMan and Sy. Both sucked, but this does feel different/more negative.
 
Feel bad for Forbes and Co. He would have killed it here 10 years ago! This is the end of Wake Basketball for years to come until something is done with the current policies. Get out while you can Forbes…you guys deserve better than this!
 
Louis Gossett Jr said:
It’s already an extremely stupid investment. Do you like getting your hopes up but then failing miserably at even the most basic level of success, making the tournament. Then I have the investment opportunity of a lifetime. Your small donation packaged with other suckers can buy a team that continues the decade long tradition of falling just short before leaving after a year. Yes, great question, next year we will ask you to do this all over again while promising this time it will be different. No, this time we mean it if you just give a little bit more this year will definitely be different than the other 10 years.
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It's like a televangelist saying they just need a few more dollars to make their God happy.
 
Liquid Karma said:
Exactly. We are finding out what being competitive costs, and it's no fault of the collective if it's higher than antiicpated.
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What we are finding out is that this is no longer amateur sports. It's some sort of minor professional league, only without the guardrails in place to at least make the process seem orderly from afar. This is no longer college sports. It's capitalism on meth.

I thought (and am not completely convinced this can't happen) maybe the silver lining would be that WFU could use money to overcome the lost decades of irrelevancy, and maybe spring back into relevance. Maybe that will happen, but the early returns are questionable at best.

At this point, I want either WFU to spend its way to being actually good (as opposed to invoking a statisticulation frenzy where literally everything is OK because someone wins the Powerball every month or so) and see where that leaves us after actually winning some important games, or I want the whole fucking thing to blow up so that we'll end up in some other (arguably lesser) conference where we can actually pull for an actual team. I want major conference sports. But sports trumps major, at least for me.

All of the hand-wringing and unhinged optimism in the world doesn't change the fact that what used to be isn't. WFU is trying to find its way in the new landscape. Thank God we have Currie at the wheel. Because as bad as it looks right now, Wellman would have made it much worse.
 
tigerswood said:
Pretty much this.

Though we did have LaRavia go pro and Mucius/Walton decline their final year of eligibility in the same offseason. Plus losing ManMan and Sy. Both sucked, but this does feel different/more negative.
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Sure, 5 players left that offseason. But not a single one of them played a single minute of college basketball after their time at Wake. So entirely different than what's happening with Boopie/Carr and not really an apples to apples comparison.
 
Maybe we play the long game and RTQ just saves all our NIL money in an interest-bearing fund for like 15-20 years, then we strategically blow our entire wad in a single season, buy the 5 best players in college basketball to form a single-season, $25 million super team.
 
Say Hey Deac said:
Maybe we play the long game and RTQ just saves all our NIL money in an interest-bearing fund for like 15-20 years, then we strategically blow our entire wad in a single season, buy the 5 best players in college basketball to form a single-season, $25 million super team.
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The way inflation is going you may need much more than that
 
Need to build the infrastructure for the 2030s. This decade has always been a waste. Will we make the 2030s a losing one too?

Need capital campaign for men’s hoops. Proper stadium. Proper NIL pot. Y’all just wasting more and more years trying the same old plan of hiring an old guy, not giving him the tools to win, then blaming him—if he doesn’t die first.

Same ole same ole for 3 decades now. Will be 6 decades soon if our alums don’t come around.
 
deacfan123 said:
If the RTQ donations don't lead to a good team this year or next, I see the well drying up really fast. What are we paying for if we can't get into the tourney.

Also want to say this is nothing against RTQ at all, very happy to have the collective and love what they are trying to do for us. It's just the nature of the beast, if our money can't get it done then it will not continue coming.
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We’ve gotten damn lucky with our portal success, but one year we might not strike gold. Could it be next season? TBD.
 
Say Hey Deac said:
Maybe we play the long game and RTQ just saves all our NIL money in an interest-bearing fund for like 15-20 years, then we strategically blow our entire wad in a single season, buy the 5 best players in college basketball to form a single-season, $25 million super team.
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Wake gets beat by James Madison or something in the Elite Eight in this scenario. Guarantee it
 
Feel bad for those sinking $s in to NIL as just not going to happen with Forbes at helm. Can't blame Carr for leaving as even a player can sense when coaches are in over their heads. When you see such high beta results to the good then the bad on the court and the coach says he doesn't know what he can do differently as he has tried every halftime speech????!!! 2 years out of last 3 with a couple of NBA level talents hoping top talent will do it with no real D scheme or system and offense is just run and go but fold in crunch time. Players want to be in the big dance and if no certainty of that time to move on to improve your visibility and opportunities. What is it going to take in NIl $ now to get talent to just avoid being in the basement much less worrying about a tourney chance when you can't recruit HS players??? Time to move on....
 
deacon14 said:
Wake fans want to view their school on a level higher than App, Central Michigan, and Delaware but not on a level lower than other power conference schools. From that perspective, it's logically consistent for Wake fans to rationalize the transfers in but not out.

Also, Wake absolutely has not lost players as important as this to the portal in previous years, so your condescending post doesn't really hit the way you intend. Wake is losing 3 starters to the portal/NBA, which has not happened before and is concerning.
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It's not the schools where they came from as much as it the transfer environment that essentially college sports has become, particularly men's college basketball. Feels like there is an expectation of loyalty here that just doesn't exist any more.

At the end of the season, every college basketball player with eligibility is a candidate to play for any of the other 362 D1 programs. Carr wasn't in the portal until today, but he (or his agent) was talking to reps from other schools; apparently, someone made an offer that was too good to pass up. Literally every college basketball player capable of contributing is fielding similar interest.

Don't know AC or Boopie, but they came to WF as transfers and WF paid them to play. Now, the 2024 season is over, and they can transfer again and get paid. That's how it is now.

AC is a solid power conference player, but don't think its an impossibility WF could use the funds that it had set-aside for Carr for another player that could be as good if not better. Understand those that are sad that college baketball is different and that the rules that previously kept players from transferring as many as four times are now gone, but that's just where we are. I thought everyone understood that.
 
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