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Would Americans get better healthcare results IF

2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
I think a lot of what US citizens currently think of as stress is just more of the pussification of America. So you didn't get invited to your so-called-friend's party, or you don't have enough cash to afford the unlimited data plan for your iPhone, or the McRib got discontinued again. That's not stress, that's life. Sack up and shut up.
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I agree totally. Most so called stress is just manufactured by stupid expectations.

People stress over little things like you point out. Economically, everyone lives above their means so people either stress about not having enough or stress trying to make enough. They compare themselves to the uber rich and stress about being left behind when they have everything they need. Many expect cradle to grave health and economic security from the government and stress about simply taking responsibility. People manufacture societal issues for political reasons and then stress about it as if they are real problems. They then eat their way into spiraling depression and obesity....over nothing really.

Europeans lived centuries stressing over their neighbors attacking them and accept a more social form of government, having lived under kings for protection. They don't live in a litigation environment where everything they do is based on legal risk aversion. And they walk/bike all over the place so even if they do stress, they never get into that depression/obesity spiral.

Just my 0.02.
 
RJKarl said:
Part of that is how stressful our jobs are. With the exception of Japan, no other country is close.
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Ever been to South Korea? Rush hour there is like 6-8, not 3:30-5:30. And it's 6 days a week, not 5.
 
elkman92 said:
When I was in the US Army, we earned 30 days of leave a year, and it never expired. In 1995, I took the entire months of February and August off. Can anyone imagine doing that at an office?
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FYI, it doesn't expire now, but you can only gain so much. I think it caps at 75.
 
I was in from 1992 to 1996, so was speaking only on memory. There could have been a cap, but I do not recall one, or anyone I knew that ran into that problem. I was at three permanent duty stations in four years, so I had plenty of opportunity for mid tour and transition leave...

KanhojiAngre said:
FYI, it doesn't expire now, but you can only gain so much. I think it caps at 75.
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elkman92 said:
I was in from 1992 to 1996, so was speaking only on memory. There could have been a cap, but I do not recall one, or anyone I knew that ran into that problem. I was at three permanent duty stations in four years, so I had plenty of opportunity for mid tour and transition leave...
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I didn't go in until 2004, so it's quite possible it was a change in between times.

I don't have that problem because I like time off lol. I'm going to my next base with close to a 0 leave balance.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
I didn't go in until 2004, so it's quite possible it was a change in between times.

I don't have that problem because I like time off lol. I'm going to my next base with close to a 0 leave balance.
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From your other statement, I take it you have been to RoK? I was at Camp Walker in Taegu from 7/94 to 7/95...
 
In england, doctors are given bonuses for getting patients to stop smoiking, lose weight, join healht clubs, etc.
 
RJKarl said:
In england, doctors are given bonuses for getting patients to stop smoiking, lose weight, join healht clubs, etc.
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Stupid socialist pansies.
 
KanhojiAngre said:
Ever been to South Korea? Rush hour there is like 6-8, not 3:30-5:30. And it's 6 days a week, not 5.
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Haha. This just makes too much sense. Europe is failing and Asia is booming.

SURPRISE!

That being said I'm a terrible capitalist. I come from a family where my dad is obsessed with money and I've sworn to never be that way. I've bounced around with jobs in the three years since I graduated college and have thoroughly enjoyed my lifestyle. I've lived in Charleston, traveled the country for work, and now I'm back home and finally accepted my destiny in sales. However I promise that I will always have fun.
 
elkman92 said:
When I was in the US Army, we earned 30 days of leave a year, and it never expired. In 1995, I took the entire months of February and August off. Can anyone imagine doing that at an office?
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Really? My leave above 60 days expires at the end of the fiscal year, although I know there have been recent changes regarding deployed soldiers. The 60 days of leave policy is also what I remember from my father, who served from 1972-1998.
 
RJKarl said:
In england, doctors are given bonuses for getting patients to stop smoiking, lose weight, join healht clubs, etc.
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First I've heard of this. Fantastic idea that rewards lowering of long term costs.
 
Liquid Karma said:
First I've heard of this. Fantastic idea that rewards lowering of long term costs.
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Why wouldn't we just cut out the middleman and give individuals tax breaks for not smoking, total weight, and exercising (or just tax smokers and fatasses more)? I don't know of a doctor who doesn't already recommend those things. The problem is not that doctors aren't recommending it, it is that people aren't doing it.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why wouldn't we just cut out the middleman and give individuals tax breaks for not smoking, total weight, and exercising (or just tax smokers and fatasses more)? I don't know of a doctor who doesn't already recommend those things. The problem is not that doctors aren't recommending it, it is that people aren't doing it.
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Even better idea.
 
I can give some anecdotal evidence against the whole "work harder to have a happier family."

5 years ago my household income was one third of what I make now, lived in a small town home, drove older used cars, and had a job where I went in about 8:30, was done by 4:30 most days. Just maintaining IT systems, no big pressure to "perform." My wife and I were very happy, and felt almost no stress. We also, somehow, had plenty of money to tithe, give to other charities, and went on several great vacations without using credit cards.

Today I work far more, vacation far less, and have to ride the shit of my bike to wear down the stress. There's a hell of a lot more money, but my family certainly isn't any happier.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Why wouldn't we just cut out the middleman and give individuals tax breaks for not smoking, total weight, and exercising (or just tax smokers and fatasses more)? I don't know of a doctor who doesn't already recommend those things. The problem is not that doctors aren't recommending it, it is that people aren't doing it.
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Because there's no proof of any the above. Anyone could say they did that.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Then how does the doctor prove it to get his bonus under your proposal?
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Doctors have medical histories on the people and check weight, BP and other physical reactions to proper lifestlye changes.

There's no way to check up on whether a person is a smoker then quits. Whether the person actually goes to the gym or just buys a membership, then doesn't use it.

In your world would there be a weight patrol going to homes of peoepl taking deductions and weighing them?
 
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