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ESPN: Danny Manning considered for WFU job, meets with Wellman 3/31/14

bmoneydeac said:
But where would MIKE WHITE be in the mythical cage match rankings?
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Good question. Mike White is smaller and has a nice athletic build, so I think he'd hang in there for a while. Comparable body type to Bennett and Gregory, but younger, possibly making him more of a threat. White strikes me as a wrestler type -- his best bet is to get you close, then take you to the ground for a submission. But, that's not easy to do in a steel cage, multiple opponent, no holds-barred, every-man-for-himself death competition. Oh look, you just pinned Coach K, awesome BAM -- Larranaga just flattened your skull with a bicycle chain while you were on the ground.
 
RacerDeac said:
Then we go for someone else besides Shaka and better than Manning.

The comparison to ******* is not necessarily in their background/success (though Buzz would have looked much better right after his first two years as a college head coach too), but in the way that Wake fans have begun to talk themselves into someone who is obviously not qualified.
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Manning has a heck of a lot more going for him than ******* did when we hired him. Manning has won a national title under a great coach, at a great program, was assistant under a very good coach at a great program, in his limited time as a head coach has had good success at a school where hoops has been a challenge, will probably be a strong recruiter at a better program especially with big men (which are much harder to get than good guards, just because there are fewer of them), and has a national known name. I can understand the disappointment if this happens and I'll be disappointed to, but to compare him to ******* by saying this is automatically Bzzz V.2 is laughable.......:bowrofl:
 
MichDeac25 said:
Someone needs to explain to me the adoration for Michael White but the disgust for Danny Manning.
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Manning inherited a decent team and a historically solid mid-major program, took a small step back in year 1, and then produced a slightly better than decent team in year 2. Overall improvement but it's fairly minor and just one good season as a coach.

White inherited a terrible team and historically terrible program, took significant steps forward in all three years as a coach. Massive overall improvement for the program and three good seasons as coach, compared to Manning's one good season.



White:
-----------Conf---Overall--Kenpom
year before -2-14--12-20----245
year 1 -----6-8--18-16-----182
year 2 -----16-2--27-7-----90
year 3 -----13-3--29-8-----34


Manning:
-----------Conf---Overall--Kenpom
year before -10-6--17-14----93
year 1 -----8-8---17-16-----178
year 2 -----13-3--21-3------73
 
ChrisL68 said:
A. Miller has been a head coach for 3 years versus Manning's 2.
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Archie has a pretty strong recruting reputation while Manning's (compared to the other KU assistants) was relatively weak. Also, fair or unfair, his brother is probably the best coach under 50 in the country. Also a deep run satisfies some of the wow factor needs (although I don't put much stock in it).
 
faxmachineanthem said:
Manning inherited a decent team and a historically solid mid-major program, took a small step back in year 1, and then produced a slightly better than decent team in year 2. Overall improvement but it's fairly minor and just one good season as a coach.

White inherited a terrible team and historically terrible program, took significant steps forward in all three years as a coach. Massive overall improvement for the program and three good seasons as coach, compared to Manning's one good season.



White:
-----------Conf---Overall--Kenpom
year before -2-14--12-20----245
year 1 -----6-8--18-16-----182
year 2 -----16-2--27-7-----90
year 3 -----13-3--29-8-----34


Manning:
-----------Conf---Overall--Kenpom
year before -10-6--17-14----93
year 1 -----8-8---17-16-----178
year 2 -----13-3--21-3------73
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I get that Tulsa is a better historical program than La Tech. But Manning also had a much younger squad than Michael White's. His schedule also appeared to be more difficult than La Tech's. Manning took a squad of sophomores and made a run at the end of the year putting them in a tie for 1st in the conference and then went on to beat La Tech in the championship game. Manning's team next year should be very good. Manning won COY over Michael White.
 
faxmachineanthem said:
Manning inherited a decent team and a historically solid mid-major program, took a small step back in year 1, and then produced a slightly better than decent team in year 2. Overall improvement but it's fairly minor and just one good season as a coach.

White inherited a terrible team and historically terrible program, took significant steps forward in all three years as a coach. Massive overall improvement for the program and three good seasons as coach, compared to Manning's one good season.



White:
-----------Conf---Overall--Kenpom
year before -2-14--12-20----245
year 1 -----6-8--18-16-----182
year 2 -----16-2--27-7-----90
year 3 -----13-3--29-8-----34


Manning:
-----------Conf---Overall--Kenpom
year before -10-6--17-14----93
year 1 -----8-8---17-16-----178
year 2 -----13-3--21-3------73
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Wikipedia cites it being the 5th youngest team in the country
 
Rolfe said:
Because Wellman has eight million other things going on right now, already has his 'home run' locked in, and said from day 1 to be patient. In the real world outside of this message board, life goes on.
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A few insiders posted that Wellman informed Bz 2-4 weeks before the season ended that he'd be gone. If that's the case then Wellman has had almost a full six weeks to target and lock up a new coach.
 
liveanddiedeac said:
Manning has a heck of a lot more going for him than ******* did when we hired him. Manning has won a national title under a great coach, at a great program, was assistant under a very good coach at a great program, in his limited time as a head coach has had good success at a school where hoops has been a challenge, will probably be a strong recruiter at a better program especially with big men (which are much harder to get than good guards, just because there are fewer of them), and has a national known name. I can understand the disappointment if this happens and I'll be disappointed to, but to compare him to ******* by saying this is automatically Bzzz V.2 is laughable.......:bowrofl:
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Again, the comparison is in the way that Wake fans have gone from "are you fuckingserious?" to "I've talked myself into it and he could be solid" in the matter of a few hours. The same thing happened with Buzz. Neither of them are qualified for the job. Buzz was less so, but neither meet the minimum requirements.
 
MichDeac25 said:
I get that Tulsa is a better historical program than La Tech. But Manning also had a much younger squad than Michael White's. His schedule also appeared to be more difficult than La Tech's. Manning took a squad of sophomores and made a run at the end of the year putting them in a tie for 1st in the conference and then went on to beat La Tech in the championship game. Manning's team next year should be very good. Manning won COY over Michael White.
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Part of the reason is because a handful of us adopted MIKE WHITE 18 months ago and have gotten to know his playing style, recruiting chops, energy, etc. that is still pretty much an unknown on Manning. Plus you've got a clear positive trend in performance, especially compared to the program's normal state. Not sure if you've ready the long thread started a while ago but there is a lot of good stuff in there.
 
You can't just look at the previous years record and say he was at a much better place. When manning took over Tulsa, his first year they weren't even expected to sniff 500 . They did and made the CBI in his first year despite losing Rashad Smith 4 games into the season to a foot injury (this years 2nd leading rebounder and scorer) Then this past year, he has his team that was mainly led by sophomores , win the conference and conference tourney to make the NCAA. It wasn't this grand situation he walked into. He is on par with Mike White. I even think there is more upside there but only time will tell.
 
RacerDeac said:
Again, the comparison is in the way that Wake fans have gone from "are you fuckingserious?" to "I've talked myself into it and he could be solid" in the matter of a few hours. The same thing happened with Buzz. Neither of them are qualified for the job. Buzz was less so, but neither meet the minimum requirements.
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Untrue. They both had: (1) a pulse; and (2) a willingness to cuddle with Mr. Wellman.
 
MichDeac25 said:
I get that Tulsa is a better historical program than La Tech. But Manning also had a much younger squad than Michael White's. His schedule also appeared to be more difficult than La Tech's. Manning took a squad of sophomores and made a run at the end of the year putting them in a tie for 1st in the conference and then went on to beat La Tech in the championship game. Manning's team next year should be very good. Manning won COY over Michael White.
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I just looked up that Athlon picked Tulsa to finish last in the conference in his first year after an "exodus of talent". So I will admit Manning's first year might be more impressive than I thought. Maybe Manning's very good. I just feel more comfortable with White since he took over a team that was clearly garbage and has had three good years to Manning's two.
 
RacerDeac said:
Again, the comparison is in the way that Wake fans have gone from "are you fuckingserious?" to "I've talked myself into it and he could be solid" in the matter of a few hours. The same thing happened with Buzz. Neither of them are qualified for the job. Buzz was less so, but neither meet the minimum requirements.
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I don't think it's a matter of talking ourselves into, it's a matter of if it happens it happens. Unfortunately we have no control over the situation in reality, Ron Wellman and his cronies are making this hire period. Sure there's about at least 7 or 8 guys I'd choose over Manning, but it's not up to me. I'm just saying that if it does happen it's not a certainly that it doesn't work. All I want is a coach that wins, if ******* had shown himself to be a winner we would've cared less about his strange personality and such. For the record I never talked myself into Bzzzz, I never understood the hire from the start and never have understood to this day. Maybe Manning shows he isn't qualified, but maybe he does, who knows??? I'm a lot more optimistic that it has a chance of working out than I did with Bzzzz, but of course it really doesn't matter until there is an official announcement.
 
And by the following year with a team full of frosh and sophs he won the league title in Mike White's league.
 
Let's be real for a second -- Danny Manning is no one's top choice, but at least unlike BZD the story of his head coaching career has yet to be written. He may come in and be totally over his head. No doubt, I don't think anyone disputes this. And we'd all have preferred other candidates who apparently Wellman preferred and pursued as well, unsuccessfully.

To the extent people are "talking themselves into Manning," it's based on the idea that he may come in, get a couple of good recruits, exceed expectations with a veteran team the next couple of years, and return us to a good place. I don't think we have any idea what his ceiling is. It's like drafting the latest Cuban dude in your fantasy baseball league.

Personally, if he's hired, I'll support him because he seems like a good dude, he clearly does not have Asperger's, and there is at least the POSSIBILITY he might be successful.
 
faxmachineanthem said:
I just looked up that Athlon picked Tulsa to finish last in the conference in his first year after an "exodus of talent". So I will admit Manning's first year might be more impressive than I thought. Maybe Manning's very good. I just feel more comfortable with White since he took over a team that was clearly garbage and has had three good years to Manning's two.
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Manning is up for National Coach of the year. A lot of the guys on that list are people we should be seriously looking at, shouldn't we? I don't remember Bz being on such a list but maybe he was while at Air Force.

http://www.tulsahurricane.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032714aaa.html

The finalists for the Jim Phelan Award include Steve Alford (UCLA), Rick Barnes (Texas), John Beilein (Michigan), Tony Bennett (Virginia), Ed Cooley (Providence), Billy Donovan (Florida), Steve Fisher (San Diego State), Danny Manning (Tulsa), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Sean Miller (Arizona), Greg McDermott (Creighton), Tim Miles (Nebraska), Craig Neal (New Mexico), Brad Underwood (Stephen F. Austin), and Jay Wright (Villanova).
 
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