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Basketball Recruiting Megathread 1.0 has run its course

At this point neither Moto, Travis nor McCinton can play guard.

Let's also remember, its still not out of the realm of possibilty that Travis is a pro after 3 years....

How is Moto's shot? Is it a true plus for him at this point or still a work in progress. I've gotten the impression that he is a strong and athletic wing who's made a name for himself by out-manning people in the paint, hitting the boards, and playing solid defense.
 
Let's also remember, its still not out of the realm of possibilty that Travis is a pro after 3 years....

How is Moto's shot? Is it a true plus for him at this point or still a work in progress. I've gotten the impression that he is a strong and athletic wing who's made a name for himself by out-manning people in the paint, hitting the boards, and playing solid defense.

Love his college game, but his size only fits the 2 guard mode in the NBA. Not quite sure how well his game will transfer to the next level.

He will make $ somewhere though with his skills and desire.
 
Love his college game, but his size only fits the 2 guard mode in the NBA. Not quite sure how well his game will transfer to the next level.

He will make $ somewhere though with his skills and desire.

Draft Express seems to like him. Let's see if he can hit the three ball next year. That's the key in my book...
 
All I'm saying is it's not totally unreasonable to think he might jump at some point if he has the chance to be a late first rounder or so. College basketball isn't exactly littered with talent at the moment. Take out the top ten type phenoms and a team might take a flyer on a stat stuffer from the ACC. Especially if they think he can guard on the perimeter.
 
Draft Express seems to like him. Let's see if he can hit the three ball next year. That's the key in my book...

The most discouraging thing on Draft Express is that we only have 1, just one of the top 25 NBA prospects in the ACC.

Couple that with the fact we missed Reggie Johnson right in Winston-Salem.

Travis in at #17.
 
Travis isn't in the Top 100 on Draft Express.He's only #41 as a soph.

It's insane that he's only #41 as a soph.
 
Your summary lacks context. If what you are saying is that Wake will not be able to recruit two or three McD AAs every year like Duke, Carolina and Kentucky, then I agree with you with an asterisk - when Coach K steps down there is an opening for someone to take that spot.

How does my summary lack context? I cited all players ranked in the top 25 per position and included the four star prospects that weren't ranked in the top-25. I don't know what more context I can give you given what data is there. When I get some spare time, I can further contextualize that with some "where are they now," but that'll have to wait.

On to your next point: Coach K being at Duke for 30 years is context enough . That job will be filled by the best of the best, whenever he retires. Whether it is Brad Stevens, Josh Pastner, Mark Few, Jeff Capel, Tommy Amaker, etc. Furthermore, ACC coaches are good recruiters. Turgeon and Bennett are new, but K, Roy, Hamilton (pulled in 5 stars for 4 years in a row!), Greenberg (seriously, look it up. he's the worst of the four conference vets, but he's had some great classes recently). My point? The ACC has always recruited well. Wake has been at the top of the second tier for a very long time and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. I'm fine with that expectation because that's how we do.

But I take exception with the way you've zipped up recruits. CP3 was an elite recruit yes, but he zipped up the recruiting board from Top 50 player to top 5 player AFTER he accepted a scholly. Ditto for Teague and Johnson. Only Aminu has been a truly elite recruiting win. Every other commit you can basically chalk up to Battle being there early and seeing what few saw.

Speaking of context... Actually, I'll let RJ's posts speak for themselves regarding CP3. I don't know where you were, but dude was recruited by everybody the outlets' list and more. We had an advantage, sure, but no more or less than any other school near elite talent. Did John Wall go to the triangle schools? Did Lance Stephenson go to St John's? Heck, did Kyle Anderson go to Seton Hall? That was a recruiting coup no matter how you look at it. Recruiting local talent is never a sure thing, but it's something that Wake has been very good at over the last 10 years. If you had seen Reggie Johnson in HS then you'd understand why he wasn't exactly a top priority.

Teague and Johnson both committed to Wake after their recruitments were heating up. Wake may have had an advantage by starting early, but the big guns were after both. If I'm wrong, then please let me know. Same goes for Ty Walker and Tony Woods. For as cynical as I am about Wake basketball, I give Dino and Jeff serious credit for those commitments.

Big E absolutely fulfilled expectation. He was a dominant college center for two seasons and he had a very good sophomore year despite being undersized and having to figure out how to stay out of foul trouble. Under every definition he met expectations.

I am going to reconsider my previous statement. After looking over top-5 centers in each class since 2002, I think we did pretty well. I just wish that he learned to go straight up with the ball around the basket and that he was a better rebounder... His senior season was the most disappointing that I've experienced but, I'll admit when I'm wrong.

The bottom bottom line is that finding elite college players is a crapshoot. You sift through the top 125 players in each class to find guys whom you think can fit with what you got and can do the class work. Some of those guys exceed expectation, some meet them, and some don't put it together.

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So, with those facts, Wake can compete at the highest level. But we do not have any wiggle room and when we get an Ari instead of a Josh Howard, or a Walker instead of a Big E, then we are going to struggle. Same can be said for all but about 4 or 5 programs nationally though.

Well, hopefully that's what that culture change means... And, I'm going to disagree with you. Duke players are generally good kids, even when they bust. They don't have (visible, team hindering) problems like we did. At least not for awhile. It's always been my philosophy that the best four star players are better than the worst five star players. My logic is that there's usually a non-talent reason that a guy is ranked so low and, no matter what it is, it's almost always some sort of gamble (skinny, raw, intangibles, grades, etc.). Elite programs get their pick and it's always interesting to see who Kentucky, Duke, and Carolina don't recruit (Rodney Purvis comes to mind). This has to mean something, right? I guess we'll find out.
 
Travis isn't in the Top 100 on Draft Express.He's only #41 as a soph.

It's insane that he's only #41 as a soph.

That seems a bit low. The article was really positive, though. I'm more excited about that, personally...

"Despite playing out of position on a severely overmatched team in the ACC, McKie's toughness and versatility make him an interesting prospect, especially considering how young he is for his class, still only 18 years old. He rapidly expanded his offensive game throughout his freshman season, and shows the potential to develop into a reliable two-way player down the road. He must continue to improve shooting, ball-handling and perimeter defense, and although it won't come easy playing on the ACC's most depleted team, there is no doubt his stock will rise if he can emerge as the impact player Wake Forest so badly needs."

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1ZmOPumHX
http://www.draftexpress.com
 
Well, hopefully that's what that culture change means... And, I'm going to disagree with you. Duke players are generally good kids, even when they bust. They don't have (visible, team hindering) problems like we did. At least not for awhile. It's always been my philosophy that the best four star players are better than the worst five star players. My logic is that there's usually a non-talent reason that a guy is ranked so low and, no matter what it is, it's almost always some sort of gamble (skinny, raw, intangibles, grades, etc.). Elite programs get their pick and it's always interesting to see who Kentucky, Duke, and Carolina don't recruit (Rodney Purvis comes to mind). This has to mean something, right? I guess we'll find out.

Strick, I think you are misunderstanding me a bit. One, I'm saying that other than a few exceptions, we have not gotten the big 5-star commits. Teague and Johnson I guess you could say were starting to fly up the charts when they committed, but they weren't in the top 10 at their position and they were 3star kids when they committed - again - if shoddy memory serves.

CP3 was a huge get, but it's not like the he was a top 5 player when he committed. The buzz he created was due to the fact that: * he was a leader for the Wake team the YEAR BEFORE he stepped on campus * he was best buds with the greatest high school player of all time in Lebron. He was still considered a slight PG who totally rocked out the summer before his senior year when he was already a commit.

but again, that's not really the angle I'm driving. We had a #1 ranked team with no 5star recruits; we had a #1 ranked team with CP3 and a bunch of 4star recruits. So, if we continue to grab 4star recruits we are on before most (like Codi-Miller), then we are doing what we have been doing for the last 15 years and the ceiling historically has been a #1 ranked team. In other words, there is no ceiling. But ... if the stars don't align, your floor is low too. We can't miss the way we have recently and expect to overcome that easily. Duke and Carolina can correct mistakes in a year. It'll take us two or three. Both Duke and Carolina have made mistakes. That is my point. You look at the top 125 players year to year, and there are almost as many misses as their are hits, regardless of stars. That said, 4 and 5 star kids are more likely to succeed than 3star kids. But statistically, it doesn't seem like 5star kids are more likely to succeed than 4stars, though the 5stars that succeed are more likely to be superstar messiah like players.
 
In unrelated but still interesting news, Tad Boyle roped in Colorado's second top-100 commit for this year. He's doing work out there.
 
Tad Boyle is doing a great job on the recruiting trail. Evan Daniels tweeted that in the history of the Scout top 100 Colorado never had a single prospect. They have 2 in 2012.
 
Tad Boyle is doing a great job on the recruiting trail. Evan Daniels tweeted that in the history of the Scout top 100 Colorado never had a single prospect. They have 2 in 2012.

You could probably argue that Bzd layed the ground work.

An upgrade in awful facilities and a move to the Pac 12 might have also helped.
 
There seems to be a lot of defensive ability in the 2012 class. Codi, Moto, Tree and Washington have all been mentioned for their defense. Thomas is supposedly a very high motor guy on the boards.

Cavanugh is the wild card. Would love it if he grew to 6'10 like his dad did in college.

This is good.
 
Can't hurt that his HS coach graduated from Wake. Not like Episcopal is a basketball factory, but I remember Arinze Onuaku (Syracuse big man) came out of there a few years back.

As well as current Redskins running back Tim Hightower...

Its not in the best conference. But the facilities and coaching staffs are excellent. He's played against top AAU competition in the area for sure.
 
There seems to be a lot of defensive ability in the 2012 class. Codi, Moto, Tree and Washington have all been mentioned for their defense. Thomas is supposedly a very high motor guy on the boards.

Cavanugh is the wild card. Would love it if he grew to 6'10 like his dad did in college.

This is good.
I remember reading articles this summer that when Cavanaugh played against 4s & 5s in the big AAU tournaments that he played well defensively against a couple of 7'ers. Coleman wasn't at those tournaments, so he had to shift to those spots. I think I remember that he scored and rebounded well too. Those tournaments were the ones that really increased the interest from just some high majors Wake, 'cuse & ND to many others we never heard about including Stanford. I heard that his family turned away quite a few high majors b/c of geography and loyalty to the schools that showed interest early on including some of the mids that loved him all along.
 
I hadn't heard about his defense or about his other offers...good stuff...thanks....
 
I'd love to see some video of Cavanaugh other than the 10 second blip that doesn't show very much.
 
Does anybody know if JDHS plays in NYC at all? I could take some video if he plays in the city.
 
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