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A Colorado Fan's take on [Redacted] at Wake

deacvision7 said:
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I'll bite but it should be devoted to discussing Wake Forest Athletics. Freely. Except for Buzz or basketball or Lobo. I just want to pretend none of that exists. I can learn to like field hockey.
 
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GEORGE: Art Vandelay.

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ultrabuff said:
I'm a Buff fan through and through. Saw my first CU game when I was 7 years old. Go ahead, ask me any question you want about Colorado hoops (or football, for that matter).

The only reason I came over here to post was that I think the Wake fan base is being unreasonable in its demands. I've observed dozens of programs over the years when they change coaches. Barring a total meltdown, the new guy deserves 4 years to turn things around. [Redacted] knocked off the #2 team in the country this year, and also beat the #18 team. He has recruited well. He deserves one more year.

I don't necessary like the guy, but he knows the game and in retrospect did a lot for Colorado in the 3 seasons he was our coach.

I don't think many Wake fans realize how unreasonable their demands look from an outsider's perspective. Wellman told [Redacted] when he hired him to not make any decisions based on short-term considerations. Anyone out there who has succeeded in business knows that a turnaround takes time. I AGREE that [Redacted] has more work to do, and I also AGREE that if he doesn't get the team into at least the NIT next year he should be gone.

But these "Fire BZ" ads and all the rest reveal a completely unrealistic understanding of how organizations are built and long-term, sustainable success is achieved . You can't tear something down and then rebuild it in just 3 seasons.

PATIENCE, PEOPLE!!
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How much does it suck to know that your NC in 1990 was complete fraud?
 
PhDeac said:
The program didn't need to be torn down.

This is the ACC. New coaches are expected to win and keep winning.
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The ACC you are referring to is dead. Congratulations on getting fewer bids than the Mountain West Conference.
 
For some reason I can't edit my post and I can't count but the mountain west and the ACC had the same number of bids.
 
That ACC is dead because new coaches didn't do as expected and keep winning.
 
IT'S OVER

Ding, dong! The witch is dead!

[Redacted] got 4 seasons to turn the ship around, and he didn't get the job done. I really thought he would, but I was wrong.

Best of Luck in your search for a new coach. Here's hoping Wake basketball can return to glory someday soon.


UltraBuff
 
ultrabuff said:
Hello Everybody

I just wanted to share a few thoughts on the desire of many Wake Forest fans to see Jeff [Redacted] fired.

As you know, [Redacted] was at Colorado for 3 seasons before suddenly leaving us for the greener pastures of the ACC.

His record at CU (Big 12 conference) was as follows:

2007–08 Colorado 12–20 3–13 12th
2008–09 Colorado 9–22 1–15 12th
2009–10 Colorado 15–16 6–10 8th

His record at Wake (ACC conference) is as follows:

2010–11 Wake Forest 8–24 1–15 12th
2011–12 Wake Forest 13–18 4–12 T-12th
2012–13 Wake Forest 13–18 6-12 10th

The first three years at each school are pretty similar. Furthermore, [Redacted] "cleaned house" at Colorado the same way he did at Wake. He ran off at least half the team and replaced them with his own recruits. He has done pretty much the same thing at Wake Forest.

The year after [Redacted] left Colorado, the team's record in the Big 12 was as follows:

2010–11 Colorado 24–14 8–8 T–5th NIT Semifinals

Granted, we had a new coach in Tad Boyle. But the entire team consisted of [Redacted] recruits. Furthermore, two of the kids he brought in after "cleaning house" ended up playing in the NBA. One of them, Alec Burks, was a lottery pick after just his sophomore season. The other was Cory Higgins, a 4-year starter for us. Neither one of these kids was "highly regarded" out of high school.

Watching [Redacted] and the Wake program from afar, it seems to me that he is following a very similar "rebuilding" plan at Wake. He has recruited well, and it's only natural that a young team will struggle on the road as it grows and matures. The fact that [Redacted] beat two Top-25 teams in his third season tells me he's pretty close now to turning the corner in Year 4. I mean, he brought in something like 7 freshman last year, did he not? Wake must be one of the youngest teams in the country!

I'm telling you guys, you need to give [Redacted] one more year. The man knows how to evaluate talent, he knows the game. He was not well-liked at CU because he ran the Princeton offense that he brought from Air Force (BORING!). He also has a vanilla personality and comes off very poorly on television. [Redacted] is definitely not a "people person." But the man can coach.

At Colorado we don't miss [Redacted] much and are obviously thrilled with the job Tad Boyle is doing, but we cannot ignore the fact that [Redacted] laid the foundation for Boyle's success.

As a neutral observer with no skin in the game, I think [Redacted] will have Wake at .500 in conference next season and the team will play in the NIT. The Deacons will challenge for the ACC title the following season and once again become an annual participant in the NCAA tournament. You guys need to take a deep breath and let [Redacted] coach the team.

He will get the job done if you simply let him.

Yours Truly,

A Colorado Buffalo Fan
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Until I read this POS, I was actually feeling bad about Pitt's slaughter of Colorado yesterday. Now I am so glad that ultrabuff is now ultra-out and going home. But hey, now that Boyle has shit the bed, you can call Buzz and get him back for that Brokeback Mountain Buzz love you've obviously been missing.
 
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that fucker quit on us, just when we were getting close to the promised land.
 
It is apparent the legalization of Pot has done wonders for Co!
 
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