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Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

Wakeforest22890 said:
There are two points we've reached a society where I've given up on meaningful gun reform.

1. Sandy Hook
2. Where we can't get everyone to agree that having more guns equals more gun deaths

The former showed we simply don't care (nor do we have the political will) as a society what costs guns impose because we have a percentage of the population that fancies themselves sheriffs from the wild west. The latter indicates why we can't have a meaningful conversation about guns. Beyond simply being common sense (of course if we vastly increase the prevalence of an item relative to other countries, the effects of that item are going to be increased in our country) we have statistics on the matter:

Firearm Death Rate Versus Firearm Ownership Rate by State, 2013
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That one point on the bottom right proves you are wrong. The whole thing is flawed, no gun regulations are needed. Now, if you can show me a graph relating hammer ownership to blunt object deaths, that might actually be a useful analysis.
 
Rubes also believe that making pot legal means that everyone will suddenly become potheads, so the arguments aren’t being presented to the most logical thinking group.
 
One time some guy on a plane tried to detonate a bomb in his shoe. We’ve been taking off our shoes to go through security for 18 years as a result. But we can’t do anything about guns and people who stockpile those guns?
 
that was supposed to be in response to ph

but silk has some pretty sweet points too
 
AsesinoDeTortugas said:
Rubes also believe that making pot legal means that everyone will suddenly become potheads, so the arguments aren’t being presented to the most logical thinking group.
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Then they should be for making pot legal to anyone over twelve. That many people being stoned will almost certainly cut the number of mass shootings.
 
Deacon923 said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/taxing-assault-weapons-old-solution-modern-problem/596047/

A more thought out version of Chris Rock's "tax the bullets" solution. Has merit as a policy proposal that avoids the potential constitutional issues with outright gun bans, but politically I don't think it's any easier.
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Gun nuts have been utterly convinced by the NRA and similar groups and people that any attempt to limit gun ownership whatsoever, on any type of gun whatsoever, is not only an infringement of their "Second Amendment Rights", but is simply the sneaky first step to taking away all guns, including even hunting rifles. The NRA has simply fed into the paranoia and fear of these people, and done so very effectively. It doesn't matter what strategy is used, they're going to fight it tooth and nail every step of the way, and the merits of the plan won't matter to them a bit.
 
Trump is saying the mass shootings are good for the economy. Sales of bulletproof back-packs are through the roof. Fearing new gun laws, gun sales are spiking. That's not even including new sales for funeral insurance.
 
Highland Deac said:
Gun nuts have been utterly convinced by the NRA and similar groups and people that any attempt to limit gun ownership whatsoever, on any type of gun whatsoever, is not only an infringement of their "Second Amendment Rights", but is simply the sneaky first step to taking away all guns, including even hunting rifles. The NRA has simply fed into the paranoia and fear of these people, and done so very effectively. It doesn't matter what strategy is used, they're going to fight it tooth and nail every step of the way, and the merits of the plan won't matter to them a bit.
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Correct. There was a kerfluffle in the Obama era when some trade agreement or other increased tariffs on German guns (or something along those lines). Gun nut in my family argued that a marginal increase in the cost of a Sig Sauer was an infringement of his right to bear arms.
 
Deacon923 said:
Correct. There was a kerfluffle in the Obama era when some trade agreement or other increased tariffs on German guns (or something along those lines). Gun nut in my family argued that a marginal increase in the cost of a Sig Sauer was an infringement of his right to bear arms.
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Is the fact that they cost money at all due to our capitalist system an infringement? Maybe someone should argue that the second amendment requires that we hand out free guns to everyone, including non-white people.
 
Looks like the good guys with guns are losing another round in Philadelphia today. Hope all the officers recover.
 
Looks like it's in North Philly.

Good luck to the cops and neighbors.
 
RJKarl said:
Looks like it's in North Philly.

Good luck to the cops and neighbors.
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Sounds like Philly PD handled it all really well. Between the PD and DA office, all the way up to the mayor's office, Philly seems to be getting criminal justice largely right these days.
 
Anyone that doesn’t drink the Trump koolaid is a RINO at this point. One of the only true things Trump has ever said.
 
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