They're against it. Just not willing to actually enforce the rule. #therealMVPs
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They're against it. Just not willing to actually enforce the rule. #therealMVPs
Deacsfan27
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Doctors were prosecuted, but not women.
This construction of the rule falsely assumes that doctors are necessary condition to terminate a pregnancy. The rule is for the protection of the baby, not the mother. I doubt the proffered distinction matters in any way to the child.
Deacsfan27
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I just answered the question that was asked with a factual statement.
Wakelaw2006
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Question for those who know more than I - under current state laws, if a doctor performs an illegal abortion (use jhmd's example at 39 weeks), what is the typical punishment under current laws? And is there any kind of punishment for the woman under current laws? I know this will vary by state, but I'm curious if there is a "typical" structure.
I know that, and you are correct, but doing things incorrectly in the past is not a sufficient reason to continue doing them that way in the future.
This is the essence of my question, too. If you wish to skewer Trump for his politically convenient adoption of a pro-life stance (and let there be no doubt that Chris Mathews ate his lunch), I won't stop you. But the political vulnerability in enforcing the "new" law is counterbalanced by not enforcing the current law in the second and third trimester. We just sort of wave our collective hands and wish the issue away.
In terms of semi-analogous precedent (lower case "p"), if a shooter (to ease our sensibilities, let's make him a poorly educated white Presbyterian from the foothills of South Carolina) walks into a gas station and opens fire with an ASSAULT WEAPON (is there another kind?) purchased using the GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE and kills a mother carrying a 39 week old
If the same mom unlawfully terminated her own pregnancy without a doctor, that's play-on? I swore I had been assured that current left-leaning doctrine styled itself as the antidote to back-alley abortions.
If mom has the right to unilaterally terminate her pregnancy at any time for any reason on demand, then why does it matter which instrumentality she employs? If my friend Numbers hadn't retreated to his safe space, I would point out that that is ideologically inconsistent.
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Deacsfan27
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How frequent are abortions at 38 weeks+?
I legitimately don't know, but I would guess that they are astonishingly rare.
I legitimately don't know, but I would guess that they are astonishingly rare.
Reading things you don't agree with is hard. Good point.
Probably very few because women who don't want to keep their baby can terminate their pregnancies prior to viability. That's the essence of the compromise. It's morally messy, but I will grant you more efficient. Lots of bad things are.
Deacon923
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Posted for general information. http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-illegal-abortions-punish-women-221391
*The spokesman for March for Life later clarified "Well there's some crazy ginger in North Carolina ranting otherwise on a message board, but I guess having orange hair makes you as crazy as having orange skin."
*The spokesman for March for Life later clarified "Well there's some crazy ginger in North Carolina ranting otherwise on a message board, but I guess having orange hair makes you as crazy as having orange skin."
Your quotation was one sentence(1) too long for your point. You should do a better job editing what you copy and paste.
(1) "In some rare situations, women have faced charges associated with abortions they have attempted on their own."
Wakelaw2006
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From the CDC:
In 2010, most (65.9%) abortions were performed at ≤8 weeks' gestation, and 91.9% were performed at ≤13 weeks' gestation. Few abortions (6.9%) were performed at 14–20 weeks' gestation, and even fewer (1.2%) were performed at ≥21 weeks' gestation.
I imagine the number for 30+ weeks would be infinitesimal. Third trimester starts with the 28th week. Viability is debatable and certainly a fluid concept, but I think most people would agree that it is somewhere between 21 and 27 weeks, so let's call it 24 for the sake of argument. The better hypothetical for my question is probably something like an abortion at 25 weeks. Still very small numbers, but more realistic than 38 weeks.
WakeandBake
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God didn't forbid abortions in the Bible. In some cases they were encouraged. You people think you are better/smarter than God? Blasphemy!
The Bible is a living, breathing document. It says what I need it to say, which can vary wildly between issues as I may from time to time require. Let's not be constrained but what it actually says. Sure, you're reading the Ten Commandments, but you're not reading the penumbra of the Substantive Thou-Shalt-Not-Covet Clause. Or something.
WakeandBake
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Good point. When I consider this clause, I have determined that God wants me to force my wife to have an abortion if she cheats on me. Thanks, God!
If you like that, you'll love modern day Islam.