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'17 Specials & '18 Midterms Thread

"How are dems supposed to pass laws when they keep losing control of congress." lol, great take.
 
Snark and condescension is more than deserved for the way you treat me.
 
I react to you. If you once treated me with actual respect or even less derision, you'd be treated differently. You don't like being treated the way you treat others. That should be a hint to you.

When I try to give you the benefits of experience, you go don't accept any piece whatsoever.
 
Climate change is going to destroy the earth, but let's talk about the results (what results?) in specific states.
 
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myDeaconmyhand said:
RJ would rather pester people online that HAVE VOTED, rather than confront the societal issues that prevent and discourage people from voting. I dont understand it.

A rough estimate from 2017 counts nearly 47k homeless in Los Angeles County - nearly the entire nationwide DSA berniebro membership. How many of those LA homeless voted? How many were even able? How were they registered? How did they get to the polls? How did they learn about the candidates and issues? Did campaigns reach out to them? Has RJ expressed a fraction of the concern for their participation as he has for DSA members?
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MHBDemon said:
Climate change is going to destroy the earth, but let's talk about the results (what results?) in specific states.
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There you go again being snarky.

You are missing the point that every great mission starts somewhere. Thanks for proving what I've said over and over. You expect 1000% turn to your positions and if anyone doesn't agree, you get snarky and condescending.

Would you rather all those places acted like TX and the Dakotas?
 
MHBDemon said:
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Total BS and totally Trumpian...changing the subject to deflect from a losing subject for you.

BTW, few places agree and have enacted as many laws DSA would agree with as CA has. Again, that's irrelevant to you wanting to change the subject again.

Here's a hint, if you try to fix 100 problems rather than focusing, you won't fix any.
 
You just fundamentally don't understand the difference between liberalism and socialism. I'm not asking anyone to agree with 100% of my positions. I'm asking people to reckon with the fact that liberalism has failed and as long as capitalism goes unchecked, the world will burn.

You just think the answer is suggesting more liberalism and expecting voter enthusiasm to come out of nowhere for Jon Tester.
 
MHBDemon said:
Way to avoid the question. We see it work on the right because of the power of capital.
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I didn't avoid the question. We discussed this in detail earlier today.
 
MHBDemon said:
You just fundamentally don't understand the difference between liberalism and socialism. I'm not asking anyone to agree with 100% of my positions. I'm asking people to reckon with the fact that liberalism has failed and as long as capitalism goes unchecked, the world will burn.

You just think the answer is suggesting more liberalism and expecting voter enthusiasm to come out of nowhere for Jon Tester.
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I have NEVER said capitalism should go unchecked. I have said the opposite many times, but you don't care, because I don't agree with everything you say and think.

Many, many times, you have tried to tell me what I think and have been dramatically wrong.
 
PhDeac said:
I didn't avoid the question. We discussed this in detail earlier today.
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Now who is being dense? You completely avoided the substance of my post. When has it worked for the democratic party? Not in my lifetime. How many years do I have to wait to ask my government to not empower the state to murder civilians?
 
RJKarl said:
I have NEVER said capitalism should go unchecked. I have said the opposite many times, but you don't care, because I don't agree with everything you say and think.

Many, many times, you have tried to tell me what I think and have been dramatically wrong.
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Fucking read more carefully. I literally didn't say or suggest that you said capitalism should go unchecked. I said "as long as capitalism goes unchecked."
 
PhDeac said:
We've see it work on the right because they vote like their life depends on it.
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I addressed it and you said I was avoiding it. It works on the right because they vote. It doesn't work on the left because we don't.

I'm sitting here explaining to you that the way to make it work is to vote and be active and take over the Dem party. Your only response is that it doesn't work because it hasn't happened before.
 
I'm sorry but "it works because they vote" is not the most inspiring answer. So Democrats just need to get more people to vote. I would think picking better candidates would help. Maybe they shouldn't run a rich, dynastic, boring candidate whose philandering (or abusive) husband implemented welfare reform, kicked people out of public housing, grossly contributed to mass incarceration and lived in a mansion using prison labor to do domestic chores.
 
MHBDemon said:
Fucking read more carefully. I literally didn't say or suggest that you said capitalism should go unchecked. I said "as long as capitalism goes unchecked."
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I did read it and again you start the post by being falsely condescending:

"You just fundamentally don't understand the difference between liberalism and socialism."

I do understand. I don't agree with your take and you can't accept that.

Although our version of capitalism is bad and getting worse, it is far from being unchecked. I'm guessing you've been to places it is unchecked. You should go to some of those places as many people have. You'd understand the difference. As of today you don't.

Your knee jerk reaction will be to not pay attention to the first clause of the previous paragraph.
 
RJKarl said:
Your knee jerk reaction will be to not pay attention to the first clause of the previous paragraph.
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This one?

RJKarl said:
Although our version of capitalism is bad and getting worse,
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I am paying attention to the effects of unchecked capitalism. It's why I'm a socialist. You are a liberal. It's why we disagree.
 
MHBDemon said:
I'm sorry but "it works because they vote" is not the most inspiring answer. So Democrats just need to get more people to vote. I would think picking better candidates would help. Maybe they shouldn't run a rich, dynastic, boring candidate whose philandering (or abusive) husband implemented welfare reform, kicked people out of public housing, grossly contributed to mass incarceration and lived in a mansion using prison labor to do domestic chores.
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Or maybe more progressive candidates should run and challenge the establishment which is part of my whole point.
 
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