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Now her story has changed. Alleged sexual assault thread.

awakegirl said:
That's a good point. I guess in my experience I have never heard of a coach really being on top of things after the game late at night. Certainly was not that way for any of the Orange Bowl or ACCTs I went to when I was a student.
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I know, for a fact, that Wake Forest student-athletes have left the University sponsored hotel in Miami after tournament competition. Not talking about basketball, though.
 
wakephan09 said:
I know, for a fact, that Wake Forest student-athletes have left the University sponsored hotel in Miami after tournament competition. Not talking about basketball, though.
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Yeah- me too. I just figured it happened in the hotel for some reason.
 
Let's pretend for a second that people outside of Wake, due to the magic of the internet, can find this board.

Then, we can assume that it's probably not a good idea to a) make fun of a picture of a woman who heads up an anti-rape association or b) state that the parent of a girl who was raped must assume that the rapists were black.
 
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PhDeac said:
That's probably what happened. To the mom, there's no question if there was sex that it wasn't consensual and the players admitted there was sex.
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This is exactly what happened in the Real Sports/Outside the Lines story that was mentioned in the thread. That girl admittedly got bombed, went to an off campus apartment complex and voluntarily went into the apartment of two basketball players. She said they both raped her there. There was an administrative hearing, all players admitted the sex took place but that it was consensual, and all players involved were either suspended for either a semester or a year. They all ended up transferring.

I wonder if alcohol was involved in this incident. Also, if the players did admit having group sex in a hotel room on the trip or something of the like, one would think that the university would have at least given them a slap on the wrist or something under that blanket language that private schools always use, "not being a good representative of the values of the university" etc.

Just crazy to think that they would have totally swept this under the rug if there was any compelling evidence against our players. If basketball players were involved, including a future lotto pic, you know that Hatch and the admin knew about it.
 
deacvision7 said:
I'm not sure it really took place after the game. That isn't what I previously heard. I previously heard it took place the night before.

Could have been a typo by fox8.
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It did not take place before the game, at least from the sources ive heard from
 
going thru a judicial hearing, dropping out of school, and going on tv and talking about rape/sexual assault dont sound like a whole lot of fun. im sure this has been extremely difficult for the girl and her family. i tend to believe the girl in this case. maybe its not completely clear cut but i think she woulda have been a lot happier had this not happened. also, if she had consensual sex would she go this far to have her story heard. one of these guys is a nobody, and the other wasnt much until last week.
 
TheTwinAndreBen said:
This is exactly what happened in the Real Sports/Outside the Lines story that was mentioned in the thread. That girl admittedly got bombed, went to an off campus apartment complex and voluntarily went into the apartment of two basketball players. She said they both raped her there. There was an administrative hearing, all players admitted the sex took place but that it was consensual, and all players involved were either suspended for either a semester or a year. They all ended up transferring.

I wonder if alcohol was involved in this incident. Also, if the players did admit having group sex in a hotel room on the trip or something of the like, one would think that the university would have at least given them a slap on the wrist or something under that blanket language that private schools always use, "not being a good representative of the values of the university" etc.

Just crazy to think that they would have totally swept this under the rug if there was any compelling evidence against our players. If basketball players were involved, including a future lotto pic, you know that Hatch and the admin knew about it.
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This is what's bothering me. If one of the accused was who we think, there seems to have been zero disciplinary action at all. If it were a player who left after the semester, not much could really have been done by the University, but for someone to stay and be named captain - that doesn't add up.
 
InTheKnow said:
The NCAVA has been aching to announce this: Tune in to the Today Show this Thursday at 7:45am ET to watch a very determined, strong and special young woman talk about her rape by basketball players at Wake Forest University. We are privileged and proud to work with such an extraordinary woman and her incredible family.
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Any chance she was 'allegedly' raped by someone on the women's basketball team?




Too soon?
 
PhDeac said:
Where do you get the impression that the organization is doing this? I've never understood why so many guys take it personally when someone is working on behalf of rape victims.
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It's a shame that people like Kobe's accuser ruin it for real victims. She was just a whore who wanted money. They found like 3 guys "DNA" inside her and none from Kobe, yet everyone thinks Kobe is a rapist.

After that, it's hard not to hear this story and suspect that she is after attention or $$, especially considering the recent publicity of the NBA player's success. I do realize that she could be telling the truth, but it's not my immediate reaction.

I also find it hard to believe that we actively covered something up. However, the truth is likely in the middle. We will know more Thursday I guess.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
This is what's bothering me. If one of the accused was who we think, there seems to have been zero disciplinary action at all. If it were a player who left after the semester, not much could really have been done by the University, but for someone to stay and be named captain - that doesn't add up.
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except that if the only thing you can prove is that they had sex (i.e. there was no evidence to corroborate sexual assault) you can't really punish a student for doing so. I do not think it says anywhere in the honor code that sex is forbidden and thus the university would have little recourse to do anything in such a case even if they felt something wrong had gone on. I agree the whole captain thing is a bit odd. I don't know how it works at the D-1 level but sometimes team members choose the captain as opposed to the coaches. that is 1 possible explanation though it would speak to some issues if the team chose to elect somebody they knew had been accused of sexually assaulting somebody. this situation is just effed up no matter how it is dissected
 
cville deac said:
The trouble with all of this is it sounds like we're never going to get the full story because Hatch is saying he can't say anything because of FERPA. Unless she sues Wake and there's a trial. And this is a case where most all of us Wake grads want to know exactly how our university responded to what was reported at the time, but in all likelihood we'll never find out the school's side of the story.
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Yeah, depending on how it all goes down, Thursday could be very anticlimactic for lots of posters on this thread.

rjequalsmj said:
going thru a judicial hearing, dropping out of school, and going on tv and talking about rape/sexual assault dont sound like a whole lot of fun. im sure this has been extremely difficult for the girl and her family. i tend to believe the girl in this case. maybe its not completely clear cut but i think she woulda have been a lot happier had this not happened. also, if she had consensual sex would she go this far to have her story heard. one of these guys is a nobody, and the other wasnt much until last week.
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Good points.
 
IamThunderbolt said:
This is what's bothering me. If one of the accused was who we think, there seems to have been zero disciplinary action at all. If it were a player who left after the semester, not much could really have been done by the University, but for someone to stay and be named captain - that doesn't add up.
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But if this was a classic "he said, she said" thing then what were they supposed to do? Discipline him just in case he was bad?

The problem here is the other side can not be told, which just perpetuates the desire to avoid these situations altogether and turn the other way. No good comes of it even if you try to do the right thing.
 
pinochadeac said:
I also find it hard to believe that we actively covered something up. However, the truth is likely in the middle. We will know more Thursday I guess.
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I agree that the truth is likely somewhere in the middle and that is scary enough on its own. If 10% of that letter are true then Wake is in serious trouble, and deservingly so.
 
BigTreeDeac said:
agreed.

on a side note, I don't have any problem if a woman walks around with the perception that every guy could be dangerous. so long as I don't get shot with pepper spray or tazed, women are free to view me however they want. there is nothing inherently wrong with hypervigilance so long as it isn't accompanied by unsupported actions. I am always keenly aware of my surroundings and the potential threat others could pose to me at all times not because I think everybody is going to harm me but so that I am not entirely caught off guard should somebody attempt to do so and I am 6'5" 290 lbs. people need to let this whole angle about NCAVA pushing some sort of agenda die. this organization is advocating for women that otherwise may not have a voice on issues that are incredibly important and need to become more widely discussed.
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pourdeac said:
But if this was a classic "he said, she said" thing then what were they supposed to do? Discipline him just in case he was bad?

The problem here is the other side can not be told, which just perpetuates the desire to avoid these situations altogether and turn the other way. No good comes of it even if you try to do the right thing.
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And further, let's suppose that the player who became team captain wasnt the actual sexual assailant, but merely present in some capacity. Then things obviously get hazy, but it's plausible then that a judicial committee could find him innocent of any wrong serious enough to get him kicked out of school.
 
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