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NFL Conference Championships Thread

not sure if this has been posted, but it's fucking hilarious. FACK YOOOOUUUU!

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RedSoxFaithful said:
It's not as if Ghost has cost the team any championship opportunities, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Vinatieri didn't win shit by himself. Those were as close to balanced team wins as you'll find, and (especially in '01 and '03), they were mostly made up of elite defenses who were playing up a good (not great) NFL QB in Brady.
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right. they won with balanced teams and a good smart qb who didn't make mistakes. since brady has been elevated to god status (and given control over the offense) they haven't won shit.

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Milhouse said:
right. they won with balanced teams and a good smart qb who didn't make mistakes. since brady has been elevated to god status (and given control over the offense) they haven't won shit.

glad you agree
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I guess that's a fair statement? He was pretty elite by the time NE/PHI rolled around, but its a minor point. And, again, it's not like they fell off a cliff or something when Brady became "Godlike". They went to 4 AFC CGs and 2 Super Bowls and were the best regular season team in the NFL for that stretch. Which lends to the point: it is really really difficult to consistently win Super Bowls.

I think it has less to do with Brady getting more control (besides, O'Brien and McDaniels called the plays just as often as Weis did towards the end of Weis' time with the team) and more to do with the idea that you can't consistently win big games with an elite QB and a shit defense, which the Patriots absolutely had from '08 to '11.
 
Brady's playoff career in reverse:

2012
Record: 1-1
Career-to-date: 1-1

Brady makes his playoff debut and easily dispatches the Texans at home, but despite the fact that his Patriots are heavy home favorites against the Ravens, New England loses when they fail to produce in the red zone. Brady shows his inability to handle pressure situations when he mismanages the clock at the end of the first half and has to settle for a field goal, a problem that should hopefully go away when he matures. The Patriots have a shot late in the game, but an ill-timed Brady interception2 puts New England's title hopes to rest.

2011
Record: 2-1
Career-to-date: 3-2

Although Brady takes a leap forward and makes his first Super Bowl, his performance during the playoffs leaves a bit to be desired. Brady runs up his stats against the lowly Broncos and Tim Tebow, throwing for six touchdowns and 363 yards. In the AFC Championship Game, Brady throws two picks against the Ravens and posts a passer rating of 57.5, but his defense bails him out with the famous strip of Lee Evans in the end zone and the Billy Cundiff missed field goal. And despite a stretch of hot play in the second quarter, when he sets a consecutive completions record, Brady comes up short when his team needs him most in the second half, failing to connect with Wes Welker on a long would-be touchdown and failing to protect a lead inside four minutes of the fourth quarter. Brady almost literally hands Eli Manning and the Giants the Super Bowl.

2010
Record: 0-1
Career-to-date: 3-3

In a shocking upset, Brady's Patriots lose as 9.5-point home favorites to the Jets, who befuddle Brady while sacking him five times and forcing an early interception to set the tone. It's Brady's second playoff loss as a heavy home favorite in three years.

2009
Record: 0-1
Career-to-date: 3-4

It's another crushing loss for Brady, who appears to have never recovered after blowing the lead in the Super Bowl and failing to hit Welker with the game on the line. He turns over the ball four times, including three times on the first four drives, as the Patriots fall to 2-3 at home in the playoffs under Brady.

2007
Record: 2-1
Career-to-date: 5-5

The ultimate regular-season superstar comes up short yet again on the big stage. After a stunning 16-0 season earns Brady his first MVP award, a mediocre playoff run ends in failure for the Patriots. Sure, Brady beats up on the AFC South at home, as he throws for 262 yards and three touchdowns against the Jaguars, but what happens when the competition gets tougher? He throws three picks against the Chargers in the conference championship and only wins because he's playing a guy on a torn ACL. And while Brady manages to finally beat the Giants for the first time in Week 17, he still can't beat them when it really counts, as the perfect team falls just short. Brady can only muster a measly 5.5 yards per attempt as he endlessly checks down and scores just 14 points.

2006
Record: 2-1
Career-to-date: 7-6

Can Tom Brady ever beat a Manning brother? First, it was Eli. Now, it's big brother Peyton getting into the act, as the Colts launch a dramatic comeback in the AFC Championship Game to produce a 38-34 victory. Again, Brady beats up on the league's weaklings before playing worse in each successive game; he throws for 212 yards and two scores against the Jets, but then has another three-pick game against the Chargers in a contest where the Patriots only pull the game out after the Chargers try to return Brady's final pick deep in the fourth quarter and Troy Brown manages to strip the ball loose. In that AFC Championship Game, Brady fumbles a snap into the end zone that's recovered for a touchdown — wouldn't a clutch player be able to hold onto a snap? He also gets a pick-six to eventually go up 21-6 heading into halftime, but the Patriots blow a 15-point lead and lose when Brady fails to come through with a lead on third-and-4 inside of three minutes, giving the ball to Manning and setting up a game-winning score. Is he ever going to have a big drive when his team really needs it?

2005
Record: 1-1
Career-to-date: 8-7

Yawn. The book on Tom Brady's already been written. Sure, he throws for 201 yards and three picks against the Jaguars at home in an early-round victory. Who doesn't beat up on the weaklings of the AFC South? When he has to travel on the road to play the Broncos, though, Brady puts up an empty 341 yards as he throws two picks, including one in the Denver end zone that Champ Bailey returns 99 yards to the 1-yard line on a drive that would have given New England the lead. The Patriots never recover.

At this point, Brady's playoff reputation is something resembling Peyton Manning. He's the guy who beats up on weak links and never shows up when his team really needs him. He's got various maladies: He can't beat the Giants or can't beat a Manning brother, he chokes when his team is a huge favorite at home, he can't produce a drive to kill off a game, he's distracted by his model wife. In what approximates a full season, Brady's line is good, but not great: 363-583 (62.3 percent completion percentage), 3,998 passing yards, 31 touchdowns, 19 interceptions. That's too many picks for a guy who averages only 10 interceptions per year. Antsy New England fans call for Bill Belichick's head because they want a head coach who has proven he can win Super Bowls.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8864682/bill-barnwell-conference-championships
 
RedSoxFaithful said:
I thought the hit on Pitta was clean. For them to call that, the defender has to lead with his helmet (it has nothing to do with the hardness of the hit or if the helmets end up making incidental contact). It was clear, even in real time, that he led with his shoulder. It was a crushing hit, and all the more power to Pitta for popping back up and catching the TD, but it was clean, IMO.
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Clean or not, my problem is that if that had been a Ravens player hitting a Patriot it would have been called. Or even a WR instead of a TE. I am in no way a Ravens fan, but there was some obvious hypocrisy involved in all of those defenseless receiver, late hit, helmet to helmet calls
 
DeacdeTejas said:
Clean or not, my problem is that if that had been a Ravens player hitting a Patriot it would have been called. Or even a WR instead of a TE. I am in no way a Ravens fan, but there was some obvious hypocrisy involved in all of those defenseless receiver, late hit, helmet to helmet calls
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Yeah, there was, but I still blame it on Goodell. You have 2 guys flying through the air, and most of the time, the DB is just trying to separate the WR from ball. Except for James Harrison, and now he says he's trying to knock people out by going for their knees. Bravo, Mr. Goodell. When you launch yourself at a WR's numbers, and he ducks, you're just plain going to hit him in the head much of the time. Meanwhile you can still pummel a RB up high when he's going through the line. I'm sick of all these fines and 15 yard calls whenever you hit a WR or graze a QB. And now they're talking about abolishing KOs. We're getting closer and closer to flag football.
 
DeacdeTejas said:
Clean or not, my problem is that if that had been a Ravens player hitting a Patriot it would have been called. Or even a WR instead of a TE. I am in no way a Ravens fan, but there was some obvious hypocrisy involved in all of those defenseless receiver, late hit, helmet to helmet calls
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Oh absolutely. If it had been a Raven player going after the hit the commentators would have been all over them.
 
DeacdeTejas said:
Clean or not, my problem is that if that had been a Ravens player hitting a Patriot it would have been called. Or even a WR instead of a TE. I am in no way a Ravens fan, but there was some obvious hypocrisy involved in all of those defenseless receiver, late hit, helmet to helmet calls
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I think that's the nature of the officiating. There's not much consistency game-to-game, or play-to-play, mostly because the rules suck and it's humanly impossible to consistently and accurately call some of this shit.

Oh absolutely. If it had been a Raven player going after the hit the commentators would have been all over them.
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Jesus, stop. Nantz hates the Pats. Simms is a clueless fuck. You're a Panthers fan who has clearly not been watching many CBS broadcasts in recent years. This particular duo was only just falling short of openly rooting for the Texans last week. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
Did I need to watch anything other than the game last night to have an opinion on how they would have reacted last night?

In the ten minute span between the Ravens getting flagged for a personal foul and then to what I think was the Pitta hit they said for the first one "clearly shoulder to helmet on that one, absolutely launching at a defenseless receiver even though it wasn't helmet to helmet" and then what I think was the Pitta hit "wow that's an example of a good hard hit in football"

I'm sure I can find the specific audio if need be.

Solid.
 
Anything to the helmet is going to be called now, it can be shoulder to the helmet, helmet to helmet, it can be a simple hand brushing against the quarterbacks helmet. Then there is defenseless receiver when already engaged with another player or you launch yourself in the air. The gif above is close but is only called into question because of how bullshit the NFL has become. Think about it the player has the ball turned looking has taken two steps, and Mayo just runs through him in the chest, not helmet, doesnt touch the helmet, doesn't launch it is a text book amazing hit, but the only reason we even think it may be bad is because the NFL likes to arbitrarily assign penalties to things like that now.
 
I think people probably feel like that should have been a penalty because the one called earlier in the game was fairly similar to it and drew a penalty. I agree with your point and Tejas' point though that the refs are entirely inconsistent and the penalties are relatively arbitrary.
 
ThinkingWithMyDeac said:
Think about it the player has the ball turned looking has taken two steps, and Mayo just runs through him in the chest, not helmet, doesnt touch the helmet, doesn't launch it is a text book amazing hit, but the only reason we even think it may be bad is because the NFL likes to arbitrarily assign penalties to things like that now.
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sure looks like helmet-to-helmet to me.
 
Yeah at the least it's head to shoulder. The helmet is down and he's leading with it and his left shoulder it appears. I don't know if I WANT it to be a penalty on plays like this, but by the rules I feel like this was a blown call.
 
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