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Duke post-game thread

Strickland33 said:
If you managed to survive in the world with your grammatical skills, then I'll put money on Chase making it through this. Seriously, man.
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Of all the people on this board to criticize for grammar...
 
TexasDeac10 said:
Agree with nearly everything here, but why does that speak volumes? The general story we've heard was that Chase was Battle's recruit, and when [Redacted] was hired he signed off on keeping the offer to Chase.
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Because one of our main problems during Coach [Redacted]'s tenure has been our inability to recruit upper-level ACC players. When you are looking to your (potentially) 5th full recruiting class to locate a top-50 prospect, your recruiting stinks.
 
Deac83 said:
Chase is perplexing. While he may be 'shooting' 43% from 3, lately he's putting up air balls and barely hitting the rim from 3. I remember seeing him in the finals (IIRC) for the HS 3pt shooters at the Final 4. Looked like he could help.

Last year he seemed to show a pretty high BB IQ and some decent passing ability.

I think part of his problem is that in ACC play most teams are deep enough to cover him with a decent defender so he doesn't get the shots he gets in the pre-conference part of the schedule.

In ACC play Chase seems to have become a SG that doesn't shoot. I assume he's out there to shoot and not playing backup PG.

Looked up Chase's stats from 3. 20-47, but he was 18-36 in the pre-conf and in the ACC he is 2-11. He made one shot @dook and against UVA, since then he 0-7.

BTW, Rusty was pretty scary handling the ball while in college. He was nowhere near a 1 while at Wake. He developed those skills post Wake, which is a testament to his work ethic to make NBA rosters. After Rutland went down it was tough watching Rusty bring the ball up when he was force to do it.
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Rusty was a significantly better ballhandler in college than Fischer is now. That says as much about Fischer as it does about Rusty, however.
 
Chase was given a scholarship and WF needs to honor it and not try to run him off. As someone else said, we bitch when Bzz has done it to others so we can't wish he does it to someone that people do not care for their game. Chase deserves the opportunity to improve but there will reach a time (and its coming soon) where he's gotten enough chances and he'll need to sit on the bench for most of the game. But the coaches need to harbor some of the blame on this as he can shoot the ball well but he can't create his own shot. So we need inside threats and a pg that can create for him to be effective, plus we could be running him off multiple screens so he'll get open looks regardless. His role on the team is limited but it's not unimportant. If the team were able to run plays to get him open and he buries a lot of the shots, he'll help out a lot. It's just that with a lack of consistent other players minus a few, people view him as needing to do more than he can.
 
I'm convinced that I'm watching a different game than some people on this board.

I agree with Stonz that both Cav and Moto are not "bad" shooters because they have done poorly so far this year. I agree that Cav and Moto have missed a lot of 3's that have been in the flow of the offense. It's not like they are chucking the ball from the outside and Coach has to pull them in because they are hurting the team with their shots. They may be hurting us with their misses right now, but they have played 20 collegiate games.

There are plenty of cases where guys have improved their 3-point shooting tremendously as their career goes on. Cav and Moto will both contribute to this team in the future and that is why Coach [Redacted] continues to play them in situations where a lot of fans may like to see other players.

I don't know if it was on this thread or not, but whoever said the switch to put Cav on Plumlee was a bad one is just dead wrong. First of all, there isn't really anybody else to put on him when Thomas has 4 fouls. If you think Cav was in the game for too long because Devin should've come back in sooner then ok, but Cav did a pretty good job of being physical with Plumlee and it limited him down the stretch other than him making free throws (which was odd in itself given his FT% this year).
 
I have no problem with Moto taking 3s, but until he has exhibited that he can hit them, he shouldn't be taking some of the most important shots of the game from 3.
 
ChrisL68 said:
I have no problem with Moto taking 3s, but until he has exhibited that he can hit them, he shouldn't be taking some of the most important shots of the game from 3.
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I agree with you on that. The play call in design was a good one, but as people have said, it looked to be more of an NBA style play than a college play where there are 5 good shooters out there. I'd be eager to hear whether or not that was the designed play or not, because it sure looked like it to me at the time.

I'm guessing Moto has demonstrated he can hit those shots in practice, but that's obviously very different than hitting it in the game.

I wonder if people would feel the same way about the play design if it was Cavanaugh taking it instead of Moto. I know that even though the percentages indicate Cav is a bad 3-point shooter, I would rather have him taking that shot instead of Moto.
 
I mean, guys, the reality is that so far in his career Cavanaugh has proven to be a poor shooter. And it's hard to argue that it's not hurting the team. He's taking 5.6 shots per game in 17.2 MPG which is a higher rate than Harris (47%FG/42%3PT) and CMM (42%FG/36%3PT) and the same rate as leading scorer Travis McKie (45%FG/36%3PT). Cavanaugh is 31% from the field and 24% from 3. His career averages may, and probably will, prove to be better than that but there's no way to spin how bad he's been so far.
 
WRS said:
I mean, guys, the reality is that so far in his career Cavanaugh has proven to be a poor shooter. And it's hard to argue that it's not hurting the team. He's taking 5.6 shots per game in 17.2 MPG which is a higher rate than Harris (47%FG/42%3PT) and CMM (42%FG/36%3PT) and the same rate as leading scorer Travis McKie (45%FG/36%3PT). Cavanaugh is 31% from the field and 24% from 3. His career averages may, and probably will, prove to be better than what he's done so far but there's no way to spin how bad he's been so far.
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I don't disagree with you that he hasn't by any stretch been good for us this year. I do believe that he will contribute a fair amount in the future and we have seen glimpses of that the past couple of games.

As I said, he is taking shots from outside within the flow of the offense (his layups and closer shots are a different story), and needs to start making them. He is hurting us in the sense that we are wasting possessions on 76% of his 3-point attempts when he misses.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
I wonder if people would feel the same way about the play design if it was Cavanaugh taking it instead of Moto. I know that even though the percentages indicate Cav is a bad 3-point shooter, I would rather have him taking that shot instead of Moto.
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Cav taking the shot would be nearly as bad. Neither have demonstrated the ability to hit shots. When the game is on the line, you put the ball in the hands of your play makers, even though the defense is going to be keying on them. There's a reason Braswell didn't take the shots that counted in the 1995 ACC Tourney Championship game.
 
Moto looks like he could develop a respectable outside shot but I would prefer to see us develop his slashing ability first and foremost given how strong and physical he's been.
 
I would've liked to have seen us attack for a quick two. I'm a little off on the sequence of events I think, but CJ may have tried to do that on the prior possession.

Overall I liked the play, it was well drawn up and executed, we just missed. Obviously debatable whether or not Moto should have been the one attempting it. He didn't hesitate and pulled the trigger, which I liked.

Results matter though. If he had made the 3 it becomes a great play-call, since he missed we second guess it. Just the nature of the game.
 
If the common sense play against VT was to have CJ take the shot (well, I thought the common sense play was to have McKie take the shot, but same deal), then how would that not be the case here? If it was by design it was a bad play. If it wasn't by design then it was bad execution.
 
What do you guys think the score would have been if Daniel Green didn't have a fucked knee and played?
 
IslandDeac said:
Chase was given a scholarship and WF needs to honor it and not try to run him off. As someone else said, we bitch when Bzz has done it to others so we can't wish he does it to someone that people do not care for their game. Chase deserves the opportunity to improve but there will reach a time (and its coming soon) where he's gotten enough chances and he'll need to sit on the bench for most of the game. But the coaches need to harbor some of the blame on this as he can shoot the ball well but he can't create his own shot. So we need inside threats and a pg that can create for him to be effective, plus we could be running him off multiple screens so he'll get open looks regardless. His role on the team is limited but it's not unimportant. If the team were able to run plays to get him open and he buries a lot of the shots, he'll help out a lot. It's just that with a lack of consistent other players minus a few, people view him as needing to do more than he can.
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We have tried to run chase around screens, including a couple of times against duke. He is not quick enough to lose his man in ACC play. Short of having Chris Paul on this team I just don't see a situation where chase can consistently contribute on offense.
 
Deacsfan27 said:
Results matter though. If he had made the 3 it becomes a great play-call, since he missed we second guess it. Just the nature of the game.
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It would be a good play because it worked, but that doesn't make it a good call. You could run a play for Muggsy in the low post, and he may figure out a way to get the ball up and in, but that doesn't make it a good call. From the standpoint of a coach's call, it is simply a bad call to run a play for your worst 3 point shooter in a critical situation. 17%
 
WRS said:
I mean, guys, the reality is that so far in his career Cavanaugh has proven to be a poor shooter. And it's hard to argue that it's not hurting the team. He's taking 5.6 shots per game in 17.2 MPG which is a higher rate than Harris (47%FG/42%3PT) and CMM (42%FG/36%3PT) and the same rate as leading scorer Travis McKie (45%FG/36%3PT). Cavanaugh is 31% from the field and 24% from 3. His career averages may, and probably will, prove to be better than that but there's no way to spin how bad he's been so far.
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Finally, some stats to back up the fact that Cavanaugh is below average at almost everything. Im sure hes a good kid and trys hard, but if you take a moment during the game and just follow Cav with your eyes for a few offensive and defensive sets, he literally causes an unbelievable amount of harm to the team, especially on defense. His only big rebound in the duke game was a lucky bounce that came WAY off the rim and right into his arms. The rest of the time, he does a ton of ball watching, instead of finding the other players and boxing out. Multiple times Cav's lack of rebouding skills led to VERY EASY dunks and layups for the offensive rebounders. He is also ridiculous weak with and without the ball. He takes one bump by a post up foward and bounces backl 3 feet. He goes up with the ball and gets it stipped with ease. Tree and Moto are much better options moving forward, especially less of a liability on the glass than Cav.
 
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