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Childress new Assistant Basketball coach (Corbean gone)

FWIW, the players like the move.

Battle and Childress working with guards. Buzz and LaRue working with bigs.
 
pourdeac said:
Just be glad he's around so that when they improve, you'll have someone to give credit to other than Bz.
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Our players improve?!???!!! Give [Redacted] a lifetime extension!!!
 
ziggy95 said:
Trying to support our team without losing all sanity. Hopefully the team will get back to the top without selling our soul. I would be completed embarrassed as a Wake alum and fan if we went to the Final 4 and then ended up vacating the wins or on probation. The statistics definitely justify the position of the BzOut crowd. In defense of [Redacted], he was forced to keep almost all of the assistant coaches from the previous regime (I'm sure they are all great people). How often does that happen?
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As we know, any wholesale culture transplant requires the bizarre step of retaining 80% of the prior staff, amirite?

The problem with this entire debacle is that none of the stated reasons for the change match any action taken in the course and scope. I supported DinoOut, but will never, ever understand BuzzIn. Nothing personal, but the guy was a non-fit ab initio. Never made sense, and yet somehow makes less sense with each passing day.

To the Youth-as-an-excuse crowd, the youngest MajCon team in the tournament almost won it last night. The youngest DID win it last year. Wake isn't suffering from a youth problem.
 
TBR said:
I care. I think it's ludicrous for anyone to be fired for performance reasons when the guy responsible for it all is not held to any standards whatsoever.
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[Redacted] sucking doesn't excuse the others from sucking. If we can fire people, fire them.
 
TBR said:
I care. I think it's ludicrous for anyone to be fired for performance reasons when the guy responsible for it all is not held to any standards whatsoever.
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I care also. I like Walt, like his family, and think he's been great for the University and community. But putting the emotional aspects aside, I could use some education. What is the typical progression into an assistant coaching position in the ACC? I realize there will be variances, but comparing their respective experience levels it's hard to understand why Childress would replace Corbean when he has no coaching experience at all. Both played in college. Childress then played professionally, was an assistant to AD for 1 year and a director of player development for 1 year. Meanwhile Cobean was an assistant at 3 different schools, a head coach, and then DOBO here for 4 years prior to becoming an assistant. Are these backgrounds equivalent?
 
jhmd2000 said:
As we know, any wholesale culture transplant requires the bizarre step of retaining 80% of the prior staff, amirite?

The problem with this entire debacle is that none of the stated reasons for the change match any action taken in the course and scope. I supported DinoOut, but will never, ever understand BuzzIn. Nothing personal, but the guy was a non-fit ab initio. Never made sense, and yet somehow makes less sense with each passing day.

To the Youth-as-an-excuse crowd, the youngest MajCon team in the tournament almost won it last night. The youngest DID win it last year. Wake isn't suffering from a youth problem.
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Didn't Jen Hoover have a complete staff turnover when she came in as head coach? Anybody with insight into that situation?
 
WFUPH said:
I care also. I like Walt, like his family, and think he's been great for the University and community. But putting the emotional aspects aside, I could use some education. What is the typical progression into an assistant coaching position in the ACC? I realize there will be variances, but comparing their respective experience levels it's hard to understand why Childress would replace Corbean when he has no coaching experience at all. Both played in college. Childress then played professionally, was an assistant to AD for 1 year and a director of player development for 1 year. Meanwhile Cobean was an assistant at 3 different schools, a head coach, and then DOBO here for 4 years prior to becoming an assistant. Are these backgrounds equivalent?
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Of course not. Corbean is a much more qualified coach, but a much less qualified human shield.

He left his D2 / D3 job, where he was quite successful, in to be on Dino's staff (with whom he had a prior relationship). I remember him being up for a low-major job or two while he was DBO.
 
What did Corbean do, exactly, for our team? Was he a good recruiter? Good defensive coach? Good with the guards? Bigs?

I feel like we talk about how crucial Jeff Battle is all the time, but I have zero clue what the strengths/weaknesses of our other coaches are.
 
Childress is one of my favorite Deacs of all time, but I quickly cooled on him over the Travis thing. I mean, if Chill really talked Travis out of transferring away from this shit pile then that is deplorable. I could just see Travis on a legit team next year enjoying a tournament run, enjoying being on a well-coached team. Chill basically robbed him of that experience, if only for one year, to help Buzz and Wellman save face. I don't know if this has been talked much about, but I have a hard time with that.

Also, it's time that everyone finally realize that Chill, Larue, Battle (especially Battle as he is the only one with any real prospects if he chose to leave), and the players are all on the Buzz-Wellman express. They have bought in and are not hostages. Our whole program is fucked.
 
As a fan it seems pretty difficult to measure or judge the performance of assistant coaches. Frankly, it should be up to the head coach to handle that. But how does a head coach judge the coaching ability of someone who has never coached?
 
pourdeac said:
Bz is being held to Wellman's standards and Wellman is being held to the BOT/big donor standards...with some slack for previous achievment apparently. Who is not being held to a set of standards? They might not be your standards, but they are being held to standards of some sort.
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Maybe a better version is, "Standards don't count if they are constantly lowered." There appeared to be some standards (or at least expectations) set going in to this season, but those were quickly forgotten about once wins failed to follow. Or possibly the standards being set have nothing to do with on court performance, which would be a travesty, but would also mean that you could be correct.
 
TexasDeac10 said:
What did Corbean do, exactly, for our team? Was he a good recruiter? Good defensive coach? Good with the guards? Bigs?

I feel like we talk about how crucial Jeff Battle is all the time, but I have zero clue what the strengths/weaknesses of our other coaches are.
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My impression is he worked with big men, which BabyDeac says he wasn't very good at, but then the only players who have really improved in-season during [Redacted]'s tenure have been Devin and Moto.
 
WFUPH said:
As a fan it seems pretty difficult to measure or judge the performance of assistant coaches. Frankly, it should be up to the head coach to handle that. But how does a head coach judge the coaching ability of someone who has never coached?
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Just read the bios on Corbean and Chill on the Wake athletics site. I agree that it's hard to judge assistants, but Corbean seems to have been an asst. on some pretty successful teams, and certainly has a ton of experience. Chill's bio is mostly about his playing days at Wake and his "excitement" about working with the players. I'll just say it only makes this whole thing even fishier.
 
I think it might have something to do with the fact that the players have more respect for Chill because of what he did as a player at Wake and his relationship with Wake guys they admire (Duncan, CP3, Howard, etc..).
 
wake now has two of its three assistants with a combined seven years of high major collegiate coaching experience with all seven of those years at wake forest

the third is a holdover from a program perpetrated by the athletic department as missing culture

and the head coach has zero ncaa tournament wins

this move actually hurts more than it helps had they decided to replace rusty with chill and keep corbean or let corbean go too that would be different but keeping two former players with no collegiate track record (much less a track record of success) and a lame duck loser head coach is pretty awful

this thing just keeps getting better and better
 
Good post sloth. Just from reading his bio it was obvious Corbean was a part of far more successful teams over the years than anyone left on our staff (except maybe Battle).
 
Personally, I like the thought of having assistant coaches who have a stake in the school. I understand the negativity toward Bz, but let's not hate Rusty and Chill by reason of their association to him. Do any have a concrete idea as to how Chill will recruit or coach? I suspect that he will do very well at both. I hate seeing Corbean go. But, it would be worse if Battle left. We do desperately need someone who can coach big men, however.

I do not think that Wellman is trying to wreck the program. I think he wants success. At the same time, I think he made a very bad coaching hire and for some reason thinks that he must stick with it. Apart from a miraculous turn-around, I fully expect a head coaching change at the end of next season.

Till then, I hope for the best and try to avoid utter despair over Wake athletics. That's why I really like thinking about football right now, especially the way Lectro thinks about WF football.

Just trying to be positive.
 
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