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George Zimmerman

So, the prosecution introduced all that evidence about Zimmerman applying to be a police officer, going on a ride along, using police lingo etcetera to try and prove he was a wannabe cop doling out vigilante justice and establish his state of mind.

Doesn't that open the door to introduce evidence from Trayvon's phone to establish his state of mind?

There's a difference between "state of mind" and past deeds. We've had testimony about his state of mind at the time. He was scared about being followed.

The reasons Zimmerman's brushes with being a cop are relevant and include his public assertion that he nothing about "stand your ground" or other self-defense implications as well as why he may have directly disobeyed the 911 operator,
 
Oh fuck the two of you...you two shrieking assholes have never cared about the facts surrounding this case.

You call it a RW press job-- you lazy satchel of shite!

The God damn records displayed are from the school and the police department, dumbass. It just so happens that none of these truths fit the narrative of the race baiting organs you choose to suckle.

Awesome that Lectro capitalized God when typing out the lord's name in vain. You know, respectfully.
 
Just heard the 911 call again. It's Zimmerman screaming like a little bitch. What a pusswhack.

They need to update the law so it says that if you follow people around in the darkness and freak them out then when they finally crack and beat the shit out of you that you can't use stand your ground.
 
Just heard the 911 call again. It's Zimmerman screaming like a little bitch. What a pusswhack.

They need to update the law so it says that if you follow people around in the darkness and freak them out then when they finally crack and beat the shit out of you that you can't use stand your ground.

Self-defense does not shield the instigator.
 
Of course. But that's a judgment call. The jury instruction might not be that specific. The closing argument and jury instructions will be huge in this one. Sample self-defense instructions from FL SC:

However, the use of deadly force is not justifiable if you find:
Give only if the defendant is charged with an independent forcible felony. See Giles v. State, 831
So. 2d 1263 (Fla. 4th DCA 2002).
1. (Defendant) was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the
commission of (applicable forcible felony); or
Define applicable forcible felony. Define after paragraph 2 if both paragraphs 1 and 2 are given.
Forcible felonies are listed in § 776.08, Fla. Stat.
2. (Defendant) initially provoked the use of force against [himself] [herself], unless:
a. The force asserted toward the defendant was so great that [he] [she]
reasonably believed that [he] [she] was in imminent danger of death or great 65
bodily harm and had exhausted every reasonable means to escape the
danger, other than using deadly force on (assailant).
b. In good faith, the defendant withdrew from physical contact with (assailant)
and clearly indicated to (assailant)that [he] [she] wanted to withdraw and
stop the use of deadly force, but(assailant) continued or resumed the use of
force.

If the defendant [was not engaged in an unlawful activity and] was attacked in any place
where [he] [she] had a right to be, [he] [she] had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand [his]
[her] ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if [he] [she] reasonably believed
that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to [himself] [herself] [another]
or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
 
ME testifies that TM was alive for 1-10 minutes after shooting. His heart pumped out all blood. Not sure it changes GZ's culpability, but it's emotional testimony to realize how much TM suffered.
 
Did Zimmerman call 911 again to report a shooting victim after he defended himself? Did he attempt at all to stop the bleeding or do anything to try to save his life? Did he believe Martin was still a threat as he was bleeding out?

Has he shown any remorse or regret in this incident? He could believe he was justified and still show some regret.

If rain washed away the crime scene for 15 minutes (?), then Zimmerman was just standing over a dying 17 year old boy for 1-10 minutes.
 
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Did Zimmerman call 911 again to report a shooting victim after he defended himself? Did he attempt at all to stop the bleeding or do anything to try to save his life? Did he believe Martin was still a threat as he was bleeding out?

Has he shown any remorse or regret in this incident? He could believe he was justified and still show some regret.

If rain washed away the crime scene for 15 minutes (?), then Zimmerman was just standing over a dying 17 year old boy for 1-10 minutes.

It appears he did not try to help Martin at all. Martin was left face down on the ground (Wiki).
 
So he shot Martin in order to defend himself, yet made no effort to prevent his death?
 
Right.

Followed him in the darkness.

Confronted him - and at no point announced he was neighborhood watch and had called police, or that he was armed.

lost a fistfight with him.

shot him.

left him laying there dying.
 
Right.

Followed him in the darkness.

Confronted him - and at no point announced he was neighborhood watch and had called police, or that he was armed.

lost a fistfight with him.

shot him.

left him laying there dying.

In "self-defense".

And when questioned about it, his reply was "Fucking punks. These assholes they always get away."
 
That is why this case sucks so bad. I honestly believe with all my heart if Zimmerman does not shoot Martin no one dies that night. The altercation could have been prevented if Zimmerman had just taken a few logical steps or followed the advice of the non-emergency operator. That being said, under the laws of self-defense I don't see how Zimmerman can be convicted. This case really sucks and I just can't imagine the pain that Trayvon's parents are going through. Nothing could be worse than losing a son especially in a senseless act.
 
The ME testimony could go on for days - he just won't shut up. Now that he's been forced to let both sides see his notes, who knows what additional questions will be generated.
 
I think he gets off.

However if the prosecution was at all competent, they would focus like a laser on Zimmerman lying to Hannity saying he had never heard of "stand your ground" and "knew nothing about self-defense laws".

This shows he knows enough to create the lie and that's hew's willing to lie.

Add that to his refusal to obey the rules about carrying a gun; saying he didn't know what street he was on; getting out of the car against the demand of the 911 operator and there could be a decent case.

These guys are failing almost as badly as Marcia, Marcia, Marcia did with OJ.
 
I think he gets off.

However if the prosecution was at all competent, they would focus like a laser on Zimmerman lying to Hannity saying he had never heard of "stand your ground" and "knew nothing about self-defense laws".

This shows he knows enough to create the lie and that's hew's willing to lie.

Add that to his refusal to obey the rules about carrying a gun; saying he didn't know what street he was on; getting out of the car against the demand of the 911 operator and there could be a decent case.

These guys are failing almost as badly as Marcia, Marcia, Marcia did with OJ.

They already played the interview for the jury and had GZ's professor take the stand to talk about GZ getting an A in the class. What more do you want them to do?
 
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