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Does Wake Forest make a bowl game in 2013-2014?

Does Wake go bowling this year

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PhDeac said:
By comparison the 2003 post-Seattle bowl class had 5 commits before the season started (inc. Tucker, Terenshinki, and Mauk) and 9 after the game (inc. Bryant, Andrews, Robinson, and Stukes).

The 2004 and 2005 classes weren't all that great according to the services but they were the backbone of our best stretch ever. So then what was the difference between recruiting the 2004/05 classes and the 2008/09 classes?
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It's not who you are when you step on campus, It's what you've have become when you step on the field. I like Bobknight's "Chinatown" metaphor. Where we are is because of the steps we took to get there. Wake football is where it is because of the decision it has made in the past. Pea Head to Grobe. It's where our next step will be is what is most important. Will this new O work? Have the redshirts been going through the motions or are they ready? Has Grobe lost his mojo? We'll know more in 5 weeks.
 
Think you're giving BKF too much credit.

He appears to have meant we shouldn't care about Wake football because it's hopeless. Except that Vandy isn't exactly forgetting about it because it's Chinatown right now, and they're doing pretty damn well.

And I think the difficulty of the conference that they're in outweighs any edge they have over us due to a larger endowment or student body, to address the only real theories that have been put out there
 
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I don't think anyone around here expects us to be an Alabama or Florida State. Hell, we haven't exactly been a UNC, Kentucky or Kansas in basketball either. At least in football we've won an ACC title in the last 10 years. If being a perennial championship contender is all that really matters, maybe we should give up both.

All I personally want is to do better, and due to the many reasons myself and others have iterated on this and other like threads, I think there is reasonable belief that Grobe is not a complete miracle worker, and there are coaches that could do better than he will moving forward.

Of course, I don't trust Wellman to hire such a person, so the whole thing is pretty pointless.
 
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Alright, well, I disagree with your second sentence, and under the doubtful reality that you care enough to find out why I invite you to read this thread.

But I will say that this is not 40 years ago, and schools like Wake have a much greater chance to win than they did then. It's happening all over the country at schools like Northwestern, Baylor and Vandy.

And for the record I don't think Vandy's going anywhere. If you'd like to make a bet that it was a one-year wonder and they won't win 8+ games again under Franklin anytime soon, I'd hop on that in a second
 
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Even though I didn't say this year, what the hell, I'll take the bet, as long as bowl games count toward the total, at least.

Either way, I think years like last year will become more the norm for them than the years that preceded it
 
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Why would anyone believe that a Seattle Bowl appearance had a significant impact on recruiting?

You really think recruits were like - holy shit, Wake Forest finally made a bowl game. Even though they're one of the worst football teams in NCAA history that changes everything. Sign me up to redshirt.
 
Because the first full recruiting class after the Seattle Bowl was the FRESH DEACS class.
 
bobknightfan said:
I agree with you....at least I agree with what I think you are saying. In my opinion, WF probably shouldn't be in one of the "power" conferences"....and wouldn't be, if we weren't a charter member of the ACC. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be playing in D1, but we can never really compete on a consistent basis in football with the power conference schools. Basketball is a different situation. You can take 3 or 4 really good players and build a top team in basketball. WF has shown in the past that they can do that. Basketball doesn't require the massive manpower or resources that it takes to put together a consistently top program in football in the power conferences. We are set up to constantly frustrate our fans & alumni in football by trying to keep up....even with the Clemson's & FSU's in our own conference...much less the football machines in the SEC & other football power conferences. And it didn't just start with Wellman. Look at WF football history for the past 75 years or so. Also, it's not because WF "just isn't interested in winning" in football. We don't have "basket weaving" majors, or whatever such things are offered at some of those other schools I listed. Nor do we have a history of being "the place to go" to begin an NFL career. We also do not have either the academic or social atmosphere that would be attractive to many "pre-NFL" players.

It might hurt some of our egos, but personally, I think WF would be much better off in a mid-major conference where basketball is getting better & better all the time (for reasons that I just mentioned), and we would have a much higher degree of success in football. But that's just my opinion. Other people, I'm sure, have a different opinion.
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All things being equal, you're probably right. Where we differ is in our belief that Wake can change itself to become competitive at the level it's chosen to participate. In other words, you can change Chinatown. If Wake were to make winning more of a priority, and devised a set of majors/courses of study that were easier for athletes to negotiate, and had more of a framework to manage and control the behavior of athletes on campus, a better chance to succeed could result. Hell, just take some of the [non-cheating]measures that UNC does to promote sports and we'd have a better sports climate. At least UNC recognizes the importance of sports and makes them a priority, and they don't need that approach nearly as much as Wake does to compete. Doing this kind of stuff wouldn't be easy at Wake, but its better than suffering the humiliation of being a laughingstock in the league of our choice.

And its not as if we need to become a "football power" like Clemson or FSU. Wake fans would be happy if we were just .500 or better nearly every season, with 8-9 wins every few years. I.e., truly competitive. There do exist some smaller, private, well-respected schools that do compete effectively to show that it's not impossible. But you need the support of the institution, the presence of an effective AD, and a truly good coach to do this. The right people can make a difference. But not if these people are under constant assault from the institution to restrict recruitment to less-talented athletes. Accomodating talented athletes is the price of doing business at the highest level of collegiate sports. As the guys in my old law firm used to say, "get big or get out". I have no sympathy for Wake's predicament because they long ago made the decision to participate at the highest level, but they don't want to compete. They're dishonest in my view and they're constantly conning the alums and supporters as to what their intentions are.
 
We play a tougher OOC schedule than average, which hurts our chance of getting to .500 or better. We have finished with sub .500 season and 3-5 conference records 4 times here under Grobe.

The thing is that nobody cares. Nobody says, well Duke made a bowl game with 3 OOC cupcakes and Wake didn't due to a harder OOC schedule. It's Duke made a bowl game and Wake didn't.

Playing by a different set of rules is stupid.
 
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PhDeac said:
Because the first full recruiting class after the Seattle Bowl was the FRESH DEACS class.
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That's a terrible reason.

Show me some quotes that would support the idea that before amazing the entire nation in the highly touted Seattle Bowl as a .500 team playing in front of a bottom 5 attendance, the guys we'd already been recruiting were headed elsewhere - but then that win catapulted us ahead with top talent. 2 years after that we'd go 1-7 in the ACC, right?

I guess Stony Brook is ready to reel in some 5 star basketball recruits after they snuck into the NIT and won a game this year.
 
bobknightfan said:
OK, we're on for the $100. The board wins anyway, no matter which one of us kicks them the $100. Here is how it comes down for Vandy this year:

They should have a 100% chance to win three games: Massachusetts, Austin Peay & UAB.
They should have a 0% chance in four games: South Carolina, Georgia, Texas A&M & Florida.

So they are 3-4 with five games left, plus a potential crappy bowl somewhere. That's Ole Miss, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Wake Forest and, possibly, Team X in a bowl.

If Vandy wins 5 of those 6 games, you win. Otherwise, you lose. Obviously, I don't like your chances.
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they can absolutely run the table in those last set of games you brought up and i'm not so sure it is a 0% chance in those four games.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking they could maybe upset a Georgia, or Florida if their season falls apart.

I don't love my chances but we'll see what happens. Even if it doesn't happen this year I think their next 8-win season isn't far away, at least by the end of 2015 ... assuming Franklin stays or they hire a solid replacement
 
I think that Vandy will win the 8 games required but I also agree that they haven't exactly proven themselves to have broken through the "glass ceiling".

I do believe that because of better recruiting under Coach Franklin that the Commodores have positioned itself better to excel than Wake Forest has.
 
Let's stick to just one. Don't want to derail your retirement.

Though if Vandy wins 8+ and you want to give the board $200, feel free.

And for the record, Vandy has been in close games (i.e., decided by less than a TD) with each of SC, Georgia and Florida in the last two years
 
bob -

After last year, Vandy won't be sneaking up on those teams this year
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Nothing personal but nobody has snuck up on anyone anywhere in this day and age within conference play. These guys all know each other and are quite familiar with each others personnel.
 
College Football News projects us to be in the Music City Bowl vs. Tennessee. Also has us as a possibility for the Military or AdvoCare V100.

And it says we'd only have a 440-mile drive to see a bowl because, of course, we all live in Winston-Salem.

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1316314.html
 
I'd be surprised if the Music City invited us back so soon. Think they'd only take us if they absolutely had to.

I'm smelling maybe the Independence. Good: also vs. SEC school. Bad: in Shreveport, Louisiana.
 
Having been there once, not sure Shreveport has much to recommend itself besides the game.
 
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