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20 best beers in the world per the experts

Kinda shocked by this list - Westvleteren 12 is awesome and super rare, but I don't think it is #1. KBS and the Goose Bourbon Stout are great. Never had anything from Alesmith, Three Floyds or Hair of the Dog - will have to find those.

I had Stone's 17th Anniversary DIPA last night and I like that better than the Stout - probably a couple Stone better, oak aged Arrogant Bastard is awesome too.
 
DeaconBrews said:
Craft Beers are slowly taking more and more of the national market share, and IPAs seem to be doing most of that work. The reason that there are so many IPAs is because so many of them sell, basically.
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I think this is good for the customer to a degree, getting more national access to more brews, but when a company gets big enough like Goose Island and then gets bought by InBev you can almost always mark a decline in the quality of the product as they slim down the manufacturing costs/cut corners so they can ship to more places. I would prefer to pay a markup and drink less of a beer to keep it brewed on the more micro scale in most cases. Some of the breweries have expanded really well though, like Sierra Nevada and Dogfish Head (in my humble and naive opinion). What are your thoughts on this, DB?
 
The fastest growing segment of the craft beer market is Shandy's - there are going to be tons of these very soon - apparently they are bringing in a set a beer drinkers that have not been reached before. They all suck as far as I can tell.
 
TownieDeac said:
I think this is good for the customer to a degree, getting more national access to more brews, but when a company gets big enough like Goose Island and then gets bought by InBev you can almost always mark a decline in the quality of the product as they slim down the manufacturing costs/cut corners so they can ship to more places. I would prefer to pay a markup and drink less of a beer to keep it brewed on the more micro scale in most cases. Some of the breweries have expanded really well though, like Sierra Nevada and Dogfish Head (in my humble and naive opinion). What are your thoughts on this, DB?
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Eh, I think Goose Island has done a good job not sacrificing.
 
DeacWatcher said:
They are also taking up more and more shelf space at the supermarket or wherever you get your brew. That's not a bad thing either as the only time I drink the national brands is at the lake or beach.
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Absolutely. There are laws set in place by the three tier system that allow for fair competition, and quality craft beers are replacing less-popular offerings from the big boys on the shelves. Coors Light won't ever be x'd out of a store, but there will be more variety than ever as the Craft Market share goes up.

TownieDeac said:
I think this is good for the customer to a degree, getting more national access to more brews, but when a company gets big enough like Goose Island and then gets bought by InBev you can almost always mark a decline in the quality of the product as they slim down the manufacturing costs/cut corners so they can ship to more places. I would prefer to pay a markup and drink less of a beer to keep it brewed on the more micro scale in most cases. Some of the breweries have expanded really well though, like Sierra Nevada and Dogfish Head (in my humble and naive opinion). What are your thoughts on this, DB?
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I'm just glad I got some Goose Island in Chicago right before Budweiser shipped them all over. The quality has definitely gone down.

But yes, I agree with you. I think the Craft Beer guys should keep doing what made them successful in the first place. Sam Calagione (English Major! and CEO/Founder of Dogfish) is great. He sees himself as one of the leaders of the Craft beer movement, and I have a hard time seeing him do what Goose Island did. We sell as much beer as they can give us, but we definitely go by their production and there's no over-saturation with DFH. Their music series bottles are all worth a shot (Bitches Brew, Radiohead, American Beauty, etc). Sierra Nevada is also great, although I can't speak to their business model as much. I also like how slow it has taken Sweetwater to expand. They're doing it right too, although they are lucky to have a horse of a brand like 420.
 
DaDeacs said:
The fastest growing segment of the craft beer market is Shandy's - there are going to be tons of these very soon - apparently they are bringing in a set a beer drinkers that have not been reached before. They all suck as far as I can tell.
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Yeah, Leiny's Summer Shandy was sold in a can (!!! WTF) this past summer and I have tried a few others. Good selling product, but they are actually run by Miller.

It's always fun telling people that Blue Moon is really a Coors product.
 
DeaconBrews said:
Craft Beers are slowly taking more and more of the national market share, and IPAs seem to be doing most of that work. The reason that there are so many IPAs is because so many of them sell, basically.
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That's one of the reasons, but the other reason is that IPAs are the cheapest to make. (They are the cash cow of every brewery)
They keep the longest (as their original purpose was to survive the trip fro England to India via boat without going stale) so micro brews can brew a bunch at once and then sell it as the sales come, whereas with other beers more of an expiration date and can't be brewed in batches that are as large because they will go stale
 
DeaconBrews said:
Yeah, Leiny's Summer Shandy was sold in a can (!!! WTF) this past summer and I have tried a few others. Good selling product, but they are actually run by Miller.

It's always fun telling people that Blue Moon is really a Coors product.
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Leinenkugels success with that is what is leading to it - their shelf space is going up by like 500% in 2014 - which I guess is like 5 more beers?
 
DaDeacs said:
The fastest growing segment of the craft beer market is Shandy's - there are going to be tons of these very soon - apparently they are bringing in a set a beer drinkers that have not been reached before. They all suck as far as I can tell.
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women
 
Summer Shandy is delicious, totally fine if that makes me a woman.
 
it tastes like lemonade. have some vodka and simply lemonade

i had sam adams porch rocker. yeah...
 
leftcoastdeac said:
What do you like to drink on a hot day, presumably when you're on/near water?
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really not a beer snob at all. i can totally dig the refreshment of beers from bud light to the hoppiest, bitterest IPA out there. i could swill PBRs all day, or my favorite session craft brew is DFH 60 minute.

if i'm really trying to quench my thirst after say...mowing the lawn or something, i'd go for a water or lemonade before i drank a brew, to be perfectly frank.
 
a real shandy is pretty dandy. had one at brunch a few weeks back made in house with one of the good relatively widely available belgian beers. summer shandy is fine at the beach, but i prefer come hell or high watermelon.
 
it was similar to these (what the place is serving now):

SUMMER OF SHANDY
SAISON DUPONT ORANGE | 8
“saison dupont” & sparkling orange
WIDMER HIBISCUS LEMON | 8
marionberry hibiscus gose & sparkling lemon
NINKASI & GRAPEFRUIT | 8
Total Domination IPA & sparkling grapefruit
 
ninkasi and grapefruit sounds dope though
 
the stone espresso is even better than the stardard imperial stout imo.

stone brewery is so monte. buckets phan and rj, we should take a field trip
 
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