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Wake - Clemson Game Thread

bobknightfan said:
Whatever. I'm not going to pull for a team with 1 & 2-year players. If that means leaving the ACC, then sobeit.
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LOL so dumb. People like bkf are running the AD and they are the reason why we won't be competitive until this attitude changes. I'm not advocating for an entire squad of one-and-dones, but you have to recruit great players if you want to compete with the best, and at a school like Wake that means we should be able to pull in a top prospect every other year or so (should, but won't with Buzzdick). A squad with a star player and good team guys around him can equal success, but to not wish we had anybody whose good enough to be 1 or 2 year player is so, so LOWF and dumb. I guess bkf didn't like Chris Paul?
 
Recruiting good four-year players means you also have to recruit one-and-done type players. Look at Syracuse. They have a few seniors, but if Syracuse wasn't competitive, I think it's a safe assumption that they would have lost out on those players - who probably wanted to go somewhere they could win.

We have to start recruiting one-and-dones to remain competitive. But, once we become competitive, it's a choice to keep recruiting them, a la, Kentucky, or recruit players that need some development but will be solid four-year starters.
 
As Calipari is now showing just recruiting one and dones might let you win every once in a while, but a mix lets you win more consistently.

Unlike BKF, it's not all or nothing.
 
RJKarl said:
As Calipari is now showing just recruiting one and dones might let you win every once in a while, but a mix lets you win more consistently.

Unlike BKF, it's not all or nothing.
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Because we live in a black and white world. Guys shtick is getting old.
 
freakadeac said:
Not a bad loss

If we lose to VT I will be pissed
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I won't. I will laugh my ass off. I pull for Buzz to lose every game.

3 and a half years ago, I would have never fathomed pulling for the other team. Unfortunately, my only enjoyment these days comes from bad losses that will hopefully get rid of Buzz.

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ChrisL68 said:
The 2005-2006 team was built to have a decent year and kinda fell apart, just like the 1975-1976 team was built to have a good year (made it to the top 10) before completely imploding going 4-8 in the ACC and losing badly in the 1st round of the ACC tournament.

The 1976-1977 team imploded. Probably the only team in history to go 2-5 in its last 7 games and make the final 8. A real testament to late season coaching, or luck?
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Mostly luck. Our fade was pathetic and included a first round ACC Tournament loss to #7 seed Virginia - oh yeah, there were only 7 teams in the league then, so Virginia was the worst regular season team in the league that year.

The NCAA at that time took a max of 2 teams from a conference for it's 32 team tournament and had Clemson not been on probation, Wake's fade would've left them on the outside looking in.

The Deacs took advantage of the fortunate opportunity and put together two nice wins in the NCAA before losing to eventual champion Marquette. Wake has never since had a team as talented as that one. In my view, considering the whole season, they achieved close to the minimum that they should have. Credit to Tacy for bringing the players in, but he didn't achieve with them what he could or should have. He didnt do enough the following year either. He also benefitted from the times which saw almost no players leave school before their four years were up. Frank Johnson and Rod Griffin at least would've been candidates to leave early today.
 
EagleDeac said:
Mostly luck. Our fade was pathetic and included a first round ACC Tournament loss to #7 seed Virginia - oh yeah, there were only 7 teams in the league then, so Virginia was the worst regular season team in the league that year.

The NCAA at that time took a max of 2 teams from a conference for it's 32 team tournament and had Clemson not been on probation, Wake's fade would've left them on the outside looking in.

The Deacs took advantage of the fortunate opportunity and put together two nice wins in the NCAA before losing to eventual champion Marquette. Wake has never since had a team as talented as that one. In my view, considering the whole season, they achieved close to the minimum that they should have. Credit to Tacy for bringing the players in, but he didn't achieve with them what he could or should have. He didnt do enough the following year either. He also benefitted from the times which saw almost no players leave school before their four years were up. Frank Johnson and Rod Griffin at least would've been candidates to leave early today.
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BKF is gonna be pissed
 
If haas on this thread my apologies. But skip always said you gotta have a couple of nba guys .... One and dones or two dones to be relevant
 
bobknightfan said:
LOL. EagleDeac is nuts. That 1976-77 team wasn't even ranked when the season began....and went on to an 18-2 record with a ranking of #4 on February 8th, 1977.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/motion/AP?season=1976-1977
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After the same group of players the year before started 10-0 and reached the top 5 before imploding, it isn't surprising we weren't ranked at the beginning of the year.

This was the same group that has two jerseys hanging on in the rafters with a Junior Skip Brown and a sophomore Rod Griffin, and we lost at home to Illinois State and lost to Virginia Tech during the conference season in addition to going 5-7 in the ACC.
 
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Of course the notion that if we would decide to recruit one and done players that they are showing up on campus. The pool of one and done talent is much less for Wake than it is for KY. I think AFA is our best example he could have left after his freshman year. IIRC CP3's stock didn't really rise until his soph year, but I don't think he had the one and one label when he showed up on campus.

That being said we need to bring the best players we can find to Wake, understanding that in today's world if they develop quickly in their first two years they are likely to leave. Not sure how you can say 'don't recruit this kid he's too good and might be able to leave early'.

Again, not sure how many kids that are only going to college because they are not allowed into the NBA draft would be interested in Wake and/or have the academics to get admitted.
 
bobknightfan said:
LOL. EagleDeac is nuts. That 1976-77 team wasn't even ranked when the season began....and went on to an 18-2 record with a ranking of #4 on February 8th, 1977.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/motion/AP?season=1976-1977
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Idiotic - what do pre season rankings have to do with anything. That's your proof? So ignorant. Please tell me which team Wake has had since that exceeded the talent of Skip Brown, Frank Johnson, Jerry Schellenberger, Rod Griffin, Larry Harrison and LeRoy McDonald. Hasn't been one.
 
Zeke left Bob Knight after 2 years. I guess you can't support Bob Knight's style either.
 
Back then it was very rare.

Skip only had one......

Plus it's it's a different. You might as well compare computers of 1970s to today.
 
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You need players to stay a year longer than NBA interest dictates. A player who stays four years because the NBA doesn't want them does no good. A player who stays four years when he'd be the first pick after 2 can give you the best run in program history.
 
PhDeac said:
You need players to stay a year longer than NBA interest dictates. A player who stays four years because the NBA doesn't want them does no good. A player who stays four years when he'd be the first pick after 2 can give you the best run in program history.
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So the Tim Duncan era was our window?
 
bobknightfan said:
The point is that you said that team...which nobody gave any credit at all to prior to the start of the season...going 18-2 in a brutal ACC and rising to 4th in the nation "achieved close to the minimum that it should have". Nobody thought anything of that team at the beginning of the year...and with Tacy's superb guidance they won 18 of their first 20 games. Yes, I think that was a very good team....but talking like a team that nobody even rated should have been expected to go to the Final Four and only going to the Elite Eight was the "minimum it should have achieved" is asinine.

When that team made it to the Elite Eight, it was the first Wake Forest team that had even made the post-season at all in the 15 years since the 1962 Final Four team.

In the last 52 years since the 1962 Final Four team, Wake Forest has only had three teams to make the Elite Eight.....and Carl Tacy coached two of them.
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I'll ask you again - which team has Wake had since then that has had more talent or even as much talent? After collapsing down the stretch Wake played 4 postseason games - a loss to the worst seed (UVA) in the ACC Tournament, a good win over Arkansas, an ok win over Southern Illinois which had upset Arizona and a loss to Marquette. I get that it was the Elite Eight and as a Wake fan of course I'd never turn that down, but let's not act like Tacy did an incredible job with that team. They were super talented, they collapsed down the stretch and only got an invite to the NCAA because Clemson was on probation.
 
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