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Wake - Virginia Tech Game Thread

It never ceases to amaze me that after a fairly well played win that the game thread devolves into a giant pissing contest, I guess this will stop next year.
 
MichDeac25 said:
Do you guys realize how bad off Dino's last class was? If you really expected us to win with Chennault, JT, Derosiers, and Tabb, you can continue to maintain that the first two years should have been better. (Chennault was 3-stars but I believe the others were 4-stars.) But if you want to be realistic, go ahead and check out what those guys are doing now. There is really only one inescapable conclusion - we weren't going to win with those guys as our primary players.
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Do you realize that playing for a coach who they obviously didn't fit with probably had something to do with that. Even then they weren't as bad as people make them out to be.

Dino's last class took up 8 scholarship through its first two seasons (5 the first year, 3 the second year). They contributed 7.9 win shares during that time.

That's .99 WS/Scholarship


Through last night's game (19 of 31) [Redacted]'s signature class has taken up 11.3 scholarships (pro-rating this year). They have contributed 12.7 win shares during that time.

1.12 WS/Scholarship


For a comparison (Through 2 seasons) the following classes:

Buzz's first class: .28 WS/scholarship

Ish's class: 1.23 WS/Scholarship

Teague/Johnson: 3.23 WS/Scholarship

JGray/Big E: 1.41 WS/Scholarship
 
bmoneydeac said:
Ruffian is a pretty bitchin word.
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"Ruffian" it almost has a classiness to it even as a word used to describe a bad person. I bet Shakespeare would've used "ruffian" to describe Bob Knight instead of thug.
 
liveanddiedeac said:
So if thug becomes the new N-word, we go to using the word ruffian until it becomes racist?
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I think so. Doctor Broyles (RIP) would have agreed with you.

Ruffian was an amazing race horse btw. I'm sure RJK could attest to having seen her race. Shame how she died trying to take down Forego I believe it was in a match race.
 
Why the Deac Not said:
I'm certainly not saying Sherman IS a thug and I don't really care one way or the other. But he acts like an asshole on the field with his taunting, shit-talking etc. You can certainly threaten and hurt people without using violence, but then again, football tends to be a violent game.

Anyway, the point is the media would like you to believe that now it is totally and absolutely true that anyway who has referred to someone as a 'thug' or thuggish is most certainly racist or bigoted. If Mr. Sherman's feelings have been hurt by fellow players or fans who call him names, you reap what you sow generally. A little bit of humility goes a long way IMO.
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Hell, the media used the word thug pretty liberally on Monday, in part leading Sherman to make his comments.

Again, if Sherman is the standard for thug and it is not a racial term I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of people calling brash, non-violent white players thugs out there.
 
The point being that the difference between Dino's last class and our current sophomores is about the same as the difference between our current sophomores and the Ish class.

The Ish class wasn't going to win much as the primary players and I don't expect the sophomores to do so either.
 
I can't believe that people are trying to deny that SOME white guys throw around the word "thug" as a disguise for them really wanting to drop the N-bomb. It's just so obvious to me.
 
Several ways to skin a cat:

ruf·fi·an (rf-n, rfyn)
n.
1. A tough or rowdy person.
2. A thug or gangster.

And I was wrong, it was Foolish Pleasure.

Which sounds like something that would describe Mr. Sherman's typical on-field theatrics. An impetuous fool who derives pleasure from his boorish antics he doth seems.
 
bmoneydeac said:
Hell, the media used the word thug pretty liberally on Monday, in part leading Sherman to make his comments.

Again, if Sherman is the standard for thug and it is not a racial term I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of people calling brash, non-violent white players thugs out there.
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I called Justin Beiber a thug earlier today.
 
RChildress107 said:
Do you realize that playing for a coach who they obviously didn't fit with probably had something to do with that. Even then they weren't as bad as people make them out to be.

Dino's last class took up 8 scholarship through its first two seasons (5 the first year, 3 the second year). They contributed 7.9 win shares during that time.

That's .99 WS/Scholarship


Through last night's game (19 of 31) [Redacted]'s signature class has taken up 11.3 scholarships (pro-rating this year). They have contributed 12.7 win shares during that time.

1.12 WS/Scholarship


For a comparison (Through 2 seasons) the following classes:

Buzz's first class: .28 WS/scholarship

Ish's class: 1.23 WS/Scholarship

Teague/Johnson: 3.23 WS/Scholarship

JGray/Big E: 1.41 WS/Scholarship
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And they're now playing with Enfield, Wright, and whoever coaches Providence. Guess what - still not much better. Are we just inventing statistics now? Wins/scholarship per class?
 
There are people who use a lot of different words to demean and degrade others. So fucking what!? That's life. Doesn't mean it has to be national news.

Sherm has had his 15 minutes, time to move on.
 
bmoneydeac said:
The definition of ruffian- a strong and violent person (especially a man) who threatens and hurts other people.

Honest question, have you ever called a white brash player a thug? I've never heard Larry Bird, JJ Redick, or Philip Rivers a thug.
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Good point, and the answer is no off the top of my head. Though you do hear overly physical white guys who engage in dirty play as thugs. But yeah, seems that black trash talkers get that moniker, while white trash talkers do not - I think they get referred to more often as assholes. So it would be more appropriate to call Sherman an asshat or asshole for his onfield conduct (though he certainly seems like an interesting guy off the field). FWIW, I saw his interview the other day on ESPN, and I loved his comments about not being able to talk trash to Fitzgerald because Fitzgerald was always complimenting him.
 
deacvision7 said:
I can't believe that people are trying to deny that SOME white guys throw around the word "thug" as a disguise for them really wanting to drop the N-bomb. It's just so obvious to me.
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Sure you've got some bigots out there that might use it as a replacement, of course a lot of those probably just use the N-word itself. Cracker can have a racist meaning, but I'd say the majority of the time a person uses the word cracker they're talking about the kind you eat.
 
liveanddiedeac said:
Sure you've got some bigots out there that might use it as a replacement, of course a lot of those probably just use the N-word itself. Cracker can have a racist meaning, but I'd say the majority of the time a person uses the word cracker they're talking about the kind you eat.
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Yeah, but if they call a person a cracker I don't think they mean a delicious wheat tray that you eat with cheese on top. They mean some racist shit.
 
cville deac said:
Good point, and the answer is no off the top of my head. Though you do hear overly physical white guys who engage in dirty play as thugs. But yeah, seems that black trash talkers get that moniker, while white trash talkers do not - I think they get referred to more often as assholes. So it would be more appropriate to call Sherman an asshat or asshole for his onfield conduct (though he certainly seems like an interesting guy off the field). FWIW, I saw his interview the other day on ESPN, and I loved his comments about not being able to talk trash to Fitzgerald because Fitzgerald was always complimenting him.
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Sherman is an asshole when on the field. But he backs up his shit talking too.

I love the guy.
 
deacvision7 said:
Yeah, but if they call a person a cracker I don't think they mean a delicious wheat tray that you eat with cheese on top. They mean some racist shit.
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Yeah, but if somebody called me a cracker I'd have a hard time arguing with them. I love crackers and eat them a lot and you are what you eat, so.......
 
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