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Official 2013-2014 NBA Thread: TIMOTHY THEODORE DUNCAN #5

bigdoublezero said:
Unreal stretch of basketball. Save for the serious post about how Duncan was worried Pop would trade him on draft day, I'm not even annoyed by anything posted by the Spurs donks in the past 24 hours.
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Uh, sure that was just a fact. Now if Duncan was serious is another thing. But at the time it was not a slam dunk the Spurs were keeping Duncan. Anyone here that says they knew Duncan was a top 10 all time NBA player would be lying.
 
Deac83 said:
Uh, sure that was just a fact. Now if Duncan was serious is another thing. But at the time it was not a slam dunk the Spurs were keeping Duncan. Anyone here that says they knew Duncan was a top 10 all time NBA player would be lying.
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Google "the oral history of tim duncan"

"The chances of us trading tim duncan are about the same as rc buford starting at off guard" -popovich

"If pop trades him ill go down and take a shotgun to his house" - don nelson

Quotes around draft time, theres like 30 of em
 
Deac83, you can't be serious. Duncan was one of the most coveted #1 picks in the modern era. He's why Pop didn't let Robinson didn't come back from injury. He's why Pitino took the Celtics job in 1997 knowing that they had two picks and over a 33% chance at getting the #1 pick.

ESPN had a Sportscenter piece today with clips of Duncan showcasing his defining traits. The clip you're talking about was shown as an example of Duncan's sense of humor.

I don't know what to tell you. Everybody knew Duncan would be special. We didn't know he was going to be this special. But he was going to be special.

His draft video. The chemistry between Duncan and Pop is evident. John Thompson's analysis is dead on.
 
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Deac83 said:
Uh, sure that was just a fact. Now if Duncan was serious is another thing. But at the time it was not a slam dunk the Spurs were keeping Duncan. Anyone here that says they knew Duncan was a top 10 all time NBA player would be lying.
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I agree with the last sentence. For everything that came before that, you're seriously mistaken.
 
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Deac83 said:
Uh, sure that was just a fact. Now if Duncan was serious is another thing. But at the time it was not a slam dunk the Spurs were keeping Duncan. Anyone here that says they knew Duncan was a top 10 all time NBA player would be lying.
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bluefish said:
I agree with the last sentence. For everything that came before that, you're seriously mistaken.
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I'm not even sure I agree with that. I think most people realized Tim was going to be pretty dominant. You never "know" 100% if a players career is going to pan out but Tim was as sure a bet as there is. Can't think of a #1 pick who was more of a sure thing coming out in the past 25 years than Tim except for Lebron.
 
RChildress107 said:
I'm not even sure I agree with that. I think most people realized Tim was going to be pretty dominant. You never "know" 100% if a players career is going to pan out but Tim was as sure a bet as there is. Can't think of a #1 pick who was more of a sure thing coming out in the past 25 years than Tim except for Lebron.
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Pretty much. Duncan, Lebron and Shaq were the three biggest clear-cut superstars available over the past 25 years.
 
Duncan, Shaq, lebron and kwame.

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RChildress107 said:
I'm not even sure I agree with that. I think most people realized Tim was going to be pretty dominant. You never "know" 100% if a players career is going to pan out but Tim was as sure a bet as there is. Can't think of a #1 pick who was more of a sure thing coming out in the past 25 years than Tim except for Lebron.
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I think you could make an argument for Oden and Anthony Davis. The thing with both those guys vs. Duncan is the small sample size coming into the draft. Oden obviously didn't pan out, but injuries happen.
 
A couple random thoughts since I haven't posted in a few days.

- Someone said people will start to emulate Pop's regular season minutes usage of his stars and bench. I disagree. Most NBA coaches are just trying to keep their head above water. They can't/won't make short term sacrifices like playing start players for 30 mpg for fear of losing their job.

- I think the Spurs are a much better than average champion but not quite an all-time team. They were a beautiful machine but were prone to getting thrown off-kilter. See the Mavs series and games 3 and 4 of the OKC series.

- I think Bosh's comments were really interesting on how this season was not fun. It just doesn't seem like good vibes with that team anymore. I really think the best thing they could do is jettison Wade and get younger. Wade just seems like a real drag now, both physically and as a teammate.

- Is there any way Bosh could opt out and sign with San Antonio? Sometimes Miami fully utilizes him, but often not. Pop will make sure he gets used the right way. SA appears to have a lot of cap space, but Diaw needs to be re-signed and Kawhi will get his extension.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
I think you could make an argument for Oden and Anthony Davis. The thing with both those guys vs. Duncan is the small sample size coming into the draft. Oden obviously didn't pan out, but injuries happen.
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Davis sure but Oden wasn't even the clear #1 and it's not like his injuries came out of the blue. The hype on Oden was always "sure thing if he's healthy."
 
Davis wasn't on the level of sure things like Shaq, Lebron, and Duncan.

The Spurs had trouble out of the gate against the Mavs and had two tough games against the most likely next dynasty. I don't think that hurts their all-time standing.

Most teams don't have the depth and lack of egos to sacrifice minutes. Sacrificing minutes means sacrificing stats, possible All-Star appearances, future free agent deals, and legacy. Obviously, it may also mean sacrificing seeding and home court. Also a lot of teams don't need to rest aging stars as much as the Spurs do.
 
RChildress107 said:
Davis sure but Oden wasn't even the clear #1 and it's not like his injuries came out of the blue. The hype on Oden was always "sure thing if he's healthy."
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Oden was absolutely the clear #1 in that draft. Revisionist history to really suggest otherwise.
 
RChildress107 said:
Davis sure but Oden wasn't even the clear #1 and it's not like his injuries came out of the blue. The hype on Oden was always "sure thing if he's healthy."
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I remember Bill Simmons for one did not like Oden at #1. He loved Durant's game plus he thought Oden already looked and moved like an old man.
 
PhDeac said:
Davis wasn't on the level of sure things like Shaq, Lebron, and Duncan.

The Spurs had trouble out of the gate against the Mavs and had two tough games against the most likely next dynasty. I don't think that hurts their all-time standing.

Most teams don't have the depth and lack of egos to sacrifice minutes. Sacrificing minutes means sacrificing stats, possible All-Star appearances, future free agent deals, and legacy. Obviously, it may also mean sacrificing seeding and home court. Also a lot of teams don't need to rest aging stars as much as the Spurs do.
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That's fair, but I think it's more a function of the sample size. Davis is quietly getting really good down in NOLA.
 
Deacfreak07 said:
Oden was absolutely the clear #1 in that draft. Revisionist history to really suggest otherwise.
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No, not really. It was probably like 66-33 for Oden at the time of the draft. Coming into that freshman season he was the clear-cut guy, but there were questions about his health and KD was absolutely bananas at Texas.
 
bigdoublezero said:
No, not really. It was probably like 66-33 for Oden at the time of the draft. Coming into that freshman season he was the clear-cut guy, but there were questions about his health and KD was absolutely bananas at Texas.
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Fair enough.
 
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