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F is for Fascism (Ferguson MO)

just because you didnt' report a robbery...doesn't mean a robbery didn't happen

"The store's owners, through their attorney, sent the message that they want to stay as far away from the situation as possible. In fact, he said, even after the initial alleged theft, it was a customer who called police."
 
He was just giving him his change back.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
"Narrative"! You're funny. Conservative whites are perfectly happy to paint this issue with broad strokes, (see every reference to "thug") but when someone steps up to defend the character of the dead black guy from hearsay, it's a "narrative".
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Optics, brah. Optics.

jhmd2000 said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. The narrative is trying to nap.
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bobknightfan said:
Along that line, 71, just out of curiosity, where do you "pigeon-hole" me in this "conservative/liberal" stuff? Am I in the "radical-liberal" group with RJ, 00, and some of the others?
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where do you pigeon hole an owg, racist, communist?
 
RJKarl said:
"The officer drove away but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return. Johnson told MSNBC the officer said something to the effect of "What'd you say?"

What part of the enlarged area does say the officer started to drive away?

Is says THE OFFICER DROVE AWAY BUT STOPPED AND BACKED UP

That says there were four separate events:
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You ave repeatedly made the claim that the officer got in his car and started driving away after Brown supposedly assaulted him and struggled for his gun.

Event 1-The jaywalking stop.
Event 2 - The officer starts driving away
Event 3- The officer stops and back up
Event 4 - The officer gets out of the car and shoots Brown....

As I've said many times, had the officer shot Brown during Event 1, it was all on Brown.

However, even your quote says that Event ended and others started. Once that first Event ends, it's not about the cop getting punched.
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Yea, you are conveniently leaving out the part where Brown supposedly punched the officer in the face and struggled for control of his gun. I don't even know what your last nonsense means it is so ridiculous. So if a cop stops and questions me and then drives on and backs up and confronts me again, I can freely assault him without fear of being arrested?
 
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bobknightfan said:
Along that line, 71, just out of curiosity, where do you "pigeon-hole" me in this "conservative/liberal" stuff? Am I in the "radical-liberal" group with RJ, 00, and some of the others?
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Hah! I think you really believe everything you post - sort of wearing your heart on your sleeve...very liberal on fiscal issues - probably a socialist who no longer believes in the profit motive, particularly when it comes to health care. I think you're a bit of a idealist who sees things in black and white, with little room for compromise. Certainly a political junkie, but not willing to simply repeat the party line. I'm not sure of your stance on some social issues (didn't know you were OK with the death penalty until a few days ago). I would guess that honesty and integrity are attributes that you value highly.

How did I do?
 
RJKarl said:
That's what Chris was using as his evidence. There are other eyewitnesses that have said the same thing.
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I am pointing out that even the story you have completely believed when it suited your position didn't say what you claimed it did.
 
There are a metric ton of "political" aspects or facets to the general Ferguson story.

There are the ten days of protest that are an immediate issue of largely Ferguson residents who feel the police have killed someone and have since leaked and dripped out a story while refusing to come out with official reports that were theoretically filed at the time.

Then there's the actual grand jury, the right to self defense argument, general use of force, african american distrust of law enforcement and an ever changing set of "facts" each person finds personally more damning or compelling to the officer or Brown. I mean everyone wants to play Law and Order here.

The time requirements of our justice system and its overall ugly record of not being kind to african american participants along with twitter / cable coverage non stop coverage have combined to create an unsteady volatile situation.

There has been no tear gas for what hopefully will be back to back nights. That's a good sign but I think as long as we keep getting drips of "information" from "sources" instead of official reports or releases/updates via the STL PD/JD/FBI the protests will continue.
 
bobknightfan said:
LOL. Lots of inconsistencies with reality in that analysis. I'm an old white guy, to be sure, but the rest of that stuff doesn't compute.

How many other racists do you know who cast their very first vote for a black candidate for governor in the rural south in 1968 (Dr Reginald Hawkins...a civil rights pioneer in NC. Google him.), has supported progressive candidates & civil rights legislation for six decades....and worked his tail off canvessing for Barack Obama on fall weekends in both of his presidential campaigns?

The problem some people seem to have on this board is that, evidently, if you refuse to condone...or at least rationalize....criminal & anti-social behavior today, they want to label you a racist, no matter that you may have a 50-year track record of supporting progressive legislation regarding civil rights issues.

Not to worry, though. Blind youthful idealism is hardly a new phenomenon.....and it is almost always followed & ameliorated by a maturing process involving decades of reasoning.
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who would do that?

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oh, nm. he's another owg, so his "criminal & anti-social behavior" is ok.
 
myDeaconmyhand said:
The article that undefeated linked stated that the conveniece store owner never reported a theft or assault to the police, and was actually surprised when they showed asking for the security video. I'd rather take his word for it than make assumptions from a lo-res video
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Yeah, I saw that reported too...by the same site that said he paid for his cigars.
 
ChrisL68 said:
You ave repeatedly made the claim that the officer got in his car and started driving away after Brown supposedly assaulted him and struggled for his gun.

This is EXACTLY what your quote says.


Yea, you are conveniently leaving out the part where Brown supposedly punched the officer in the face and struggled for control of his gun. I don't even know what your last nonsense means it is so ridiculous. So if a cop stops and questions me and then drives on and backs up and confronts me again, I can freely assault him without fear of being arrested?
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No i'm not. I must have said it at least 5-8 times on this thread. I'll say it again- If Wilson had shot Brown during the tussle that happened at his car during the INITIAL stop, it would have been JUSTIFIED.

That's not what happened. The fight was OVER. As Johnson said:

The officer drove away but stopped and backed up[/I]

This is AFTER the fight at the car. I don't understand how you don't understand this.

Once the first fight stopped, it's a different event. One had ended.

Why can't you understand this?
 
That was before any physical confrontation.

It wasn't after any physical altercation as you claimed it was even according to Dorian Johnson's account of the story.

Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, told the young men either "Get the f*** on the sidewalk" or "Get the f*** out of the street," according to Johnson's accounts to CNN and other news outlets.
The young men replied that they were "not but a minute away from our destination, and we would shortly be out of the street," Johnson told CNN.
The officer drove away but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return. Johnson told MSNBC the officer said something to the effect of "What'd you say?"
"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body and closed back on the officer," Johnson said.
 
I don't think I have. I honestly don't understand how he is missing the point that the fight at the car is a unique event. You can't stop that fight, pull your car away, stop your car, get out and say it's the same thing.

I have agreed that if Wilson had shot Brown while at the car the first that it was 100% justifiable if Brown had punched and gone for Wilson's gun.

Once Wilson starts his car and moves an inch and Brown moves away from him, it's a new event. Chris won't admit that.
Nevermind....
 
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