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Wake/Pitt

RicoSuave said:
This game came down to coaching.

That handsome devil Jaime Dixon was strutting the sideline like a banty rooster, hogging the camera with his raw emotion.

Meanwhile, plain boring Danny Manning was talking to his players and drawing up plays and making substitutions.

Pitt fans got the entertainment value, but we got the win.
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Manning also always seems to use his time outs properly. Small, but important part of the college game for sure. I'm not sure we win that game last night if he didn't have three TO's to use in the closing minutes.
 
Manning needs to improve his quick hitters from out of bounds plays. He should record every Golden State Warrior game. Kerr is brilliant out of bounds on the sidelines. Of course it does help to have Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and Draymond Green as four of your regular players, but Manning has to improve in those situations. In all honesty that was one of Gaudio's greatest strengths in my opinion. He knew how to implement a quick hitter. It was probably why Gaudio's offensive flow suffered at times (because he was used to quick hitters), but Manning needs to improve. Too often we end up with a CMM step back jump shot instead of a more productive shot. It is probably Manning's greatest area of improvement. The good thing is that it is a very functional area of improvement because experience means a lot in quick hitters. The more you get burned by them, the more you learn :).
 
What type of quick hitter would work best with our talent?
 
Wrangor said:
Manning needs to improve his quick hitters from out of bounds plays. He should record every Golden State Warrior game. Kerr is brilliant out of bounds on the sidelines. Of course it does help to have Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and Draymond Green as four of your regular players, but Manning has to improve in those situations. In all honesty that was one of Gaudio's greatest strengths in my opinion. He knew how to implement a quick hitter. It was probably why Gaudio's offensive flow suffered at times (because he was used to quick hitters), but Manning needs to improve. Too often we end up with a CMM step back jump shot instead of a more productive shot. It is probably Manning's greatest area of improvement. The good thing is that it is a very functional area of improvement because experience means a lot in quick hitters. The more you get burned by them, the more you learn :).
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What's odd is that I think our baseline inbounds plays have actually been really good, but ones coming from the sidelines have often been awful and/or non-existent.
 
IAppreciateIt said:
What's odd is that I think our baseline inbounds plays have actually been really good, but ones coming from the sidelines have often been awful and/or non-existent.
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Agree with this. We've gotten Codi some good looks around the rim where he can seal his guy and overpower him. Had another play in the first half that got a layup for someone (can't remember who) coming from the FT line towards the basket.

Sideline is a different story.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
I think that is more geographic than racial (unless you are reading race into geography). Kids in cities often don't have courts to themselves, as courts usually have games going on. So they are playing in games instead of having a hoop on which to practice FTs. Virtually any kid in the suburbs or country with a driveway or street can have a cheap goal to practice on by himself. I think it is the same reason you often see city kids shoot jumpers from their chest instead of over their head, as they started playing in games as a little kid when that is the only way they can get the ball high enough to reach the basket, and never grew out of that motion because they have little opportunity to practice just jumpshots.
But, any kid on a college scholarship can have a hoop to himself almost any time he wants, so the excuse ends when he hits campus.
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Dos y dos beat me to it. As a chubby white kid growing up in the suburbs, I was in the driveway shooting ball by myself probably 50% of the time. With nobody to practice against, I was terrible at dribbling in traffic or passing, but I became proficient at FT shooting.
 
Another tidbit on coaching...and execution; excerpt:

The game-winning shot, for all intents and purposes, came by Mitoglou with 2:42 to go -- it gave Wake a 3-point lead. Fitting that the one they call "the Greek Deac" would make that kind of a play on Greek Night.


The three came on a play where Miller-McIntyre got into the paint on a drive, and he heard Mitoglou call his name. He immediately flashed back to drills the two of them were doing together, a pick-and-roll drill where Miller-McIntyre would hit the 6-10 stretch-4 for a three-pointer.


"One of the 3's we tried was me just jogging down the court, getting into the paint and just pitching it right back to him," Miller-McIntyre said. "When I was driving, I heard him say my name and I just threw it back, just like we practiced."


The article (Fox Sports Carolinas) is worth a look: http://www.foxsports.com/carolinas/...ke-gets-program-building-win-over-pitt-030215
 
PhDeac said:
What type of quick hitter would work best with our talent?
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That is a good question. I don't think there is a type necessarily though. While we are severely talent deficit across the board to be a great team, we do have a little bit of everything. We have two catch and shoot guys (Wilbekin/Hudson), we have two pick and pop guys (Mitoglou and Leonard), we have a dribble drive in CMM, and we have a post and mid post finisher in Devin. You can run just about anything with those pieces, and while we may not be talented to make the shot, we could get a good shot with a number of plays.

I love pick the picker kind of plays, and these are what Manning runs from underneath, but he never runs any intentional sets from the sidelines which is puzzling. I would love to see him counter move when we need a basket. Run one of our normal sets, but have a backcut, backpick, or diagonal screen option out of it that we normally dont use. Sometimes by trying these during an inbounds set you find something you can use at other times in the game. Not sure if that answers the question or not. As an example of what I mean we often run a double ball screen from the wing with the two guards occupying space on the opposite three point line. I might either have one of those guards set a backpick, or perhaps loop underneath ball side and have the first big that screens come down for a zipper screen on the guard (Hudson or Wilbekin). You could also do the double screen and have the PG extend the play out to the middle of the court (try to occupy the hedging big) and then use both bigs for a stagger screen for a shooting guard. If the switch or hedge on that, then have the top big roll over the top into the middle of the lane for an open look.

There are a million different counters you can run on ball screen plays. I would love to see MAnning incorporate some counters into his repertoire when we need a quick set for a good look.
 
Sgt Harp said:
"One of the 3's we tried was me just jogging down the court, getting into the paint and just pitching it right back to him," Miller-McIntyre said. "When I was driving, I heard him say my name and I just threw it back, just like we practiced."
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That is fun to read. I know Manning loves to hear that.
 
If you watch that play on replay, I don't even think Codi watches the shot at all. He already knows it is going in.

Anybody have the replay from court level?
 
wakephan09 said:
If you watch that play on replay, I don't even think Codi watches the shot at all. He already knows it is going in.

Anybody have the replay from court level?
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He turned around and put his arms up and started heading back on defense. Not fundamentally sound, but looks awesome on the replay after your team won the game.
 
CantStandYa said:
Manning also always seems to use his time outs properly. Small, but important part of the college game for sure. I'm not sure we win that game last night if he didn't have three TO's to use in the closing minutes.
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I completely agree. I was listening to the radio broadcast, and he did a great job of getting the right personnel in the game.
 
RicoSuave said:
Dos y dos beat me to it. As a chubby white kid growing up in the suburbs, I was in the driveway shooting ball by myself probably 50% of the time. With nobody to practice against, I was terrible at dribbling in traffic or passing, but I became proficient at FT shooting.
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No friends = better free throw shooting. Got it.
 
Sgt Harp said:
Another tidbit on coaching...and execution; excerpt:

The game-winning shot, for all intents and purposes, came by Mitoglou with 2:42 to go -- it gave Wake a 3-point lead. Fitting that the one they call "the Greek Deac" would make that kind of a play on Greek Night.


The three came on a play where Miller-McIntyre got into the paint on a drive, and he heard Mitoglou call his name. He immediately flashed back to drills the two of them were doing together, a pick-and-roll drill where Miller-McIntyre would hit the 6-10 stretch-4 for a three-pointer.


"One of the 3's we tried was me just jogging down the court, getting into the paint and just pitching it right back to him," Miller-McIntyre said. "When I was driving, I heard him say my name and I just threw it back, just like we practiced."


The article (Fox Sports Carolinas) is worth a look: http://www.foxsports.com/carolinas/...ke-gets-program-building-win-over-pitt-030215
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Seems like that play could be their bread and butter, given how Manning likes to have them push tempo.
 
PhDeac said:
He turned around and put his arms up and started heading back on defense. Not fundamentally sound, but looks awesome on the replay after your team won the game.
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Childress used to do that when Blucsas had a wide open three.... It looks awesome when it works. Not so much when the shot rims out
 
SC DEAC said:
Childress used to do that when Blucsas had a wide open three.... It looks awesome when it works. Not so much when the shot rims out
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I was remembering the exact same thing. I miss those days!
 
Strickland33 said:
This. He's like a beggar's Ty Walker on defense. For as awful as Leonard and Dinos are defensively, they seem to understand basic positioning. They don't really rotate that well, but at least they don't chase blocked shots. Like Ty, Dre will just run out and ditch his man to get a shot at a 10-foot jumper. He's all over the place and creates far more work for the rest of the team defense than either of those guys do, IMO.
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Washington is also terrible at setting screens
 
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