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LAST US POW RETURNED from the Taliban

someone should tell the army/navy they fucked up in that whole "Lone Survivor" situation; risked a lot of dudes to try to recover just the bodies of some soldiers.

also, like PH said, a Snatch and Grab is like the highest risk thing you can do in war, idiot
 
Ok, a snatch and grab operation is like what seal team six did. Very limited number of soldiers with high value intel going into a targeted area.

I am not familiar with "lone survivor" situation.

#2 was reported in the Times or WSJ (I think).

I am not an idiot.
 
re: ST6 yeah, and they were super duper lucky b/c the fucking helicopter crashed and almost killed half the team,fortunately the pilot was a boss.#2 all of those guys are in qatar and none have returned to the battlefield. remember the iran hostage failure?

Lone Survivor, as in the movie abut the SEALS who were ambushed/killed except that one guy when on a recon mission and the army/navy sent in tons of guys to recover their bodies...you know, b/c we don't leave people behind.

those missions are incredibly dangerous for all parties.
 
Ok, I think I see the disconnect here. There are values you put on what you are trying to do.

1) Killing bin Laden, High Value, you can risk a lot.

2) Bowe Burgdahl, Low Value Traitor. Don't waste your time.
 
Sgt Hulka said:
Ok, I think I see the disconnect here. There are values you put on what you are trying to do.

1) Killing bin Laden, High Value, you can risk a lot.

2) Bowe Burgdahl, Low Value Traitor. Don't waste your time.

3) Ambassador Chris Stevens, what difference does it make?
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Here to help.
 
fine, i understand people might feel that way. it just seems hypocritical.



disaffected/demoralized 20 yo walks off from desert post and gets captured = traitor deserving of torture and abandonment

congressmen actively working to undermine their own government's diplomacy = patriots



i'd love to chat about how bengazi was nothing at all like bowe, but you refuse to discuss it like a man.

you never answered my question: if Stevens had been captured and held as a POW, do you honestly think the Obama admin. would have refused to negotiate for his release or authorize a mission to rescue him?
 
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Sgt Hulka said:
Ok, I think I see the disconnect here. There are values you put on what you are trying to do.

1) Killing bin Laden, High Value, you can risk a lot.

2) Bowe Burgdahl, Low Value Traitor. Don't waste your time.
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Republican legislators disagree with you.

Sen. Kelly Ayote:

"As part of ongoing efforts to urge the Department of Defense to do all it can to find Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl and bring him home safely, Senator Ayotte worked successfully to include a provision in the bill that presses Pakistan to fully cooperate in the search for SGT Bergdahl."



Sen. John McCain:

COOPER: Would you oppose the idea of some form of negotiations or prisoner exchange? I know back in 2012 you called the idea of even negotiating with the Taliban bizarre, highly questionable.

McCAIN: Well, at that time the proposal was that they would release -- Taliban, some of them really hard-core, particularly five really hard-core Taliban leaders, as a confidence-building measure. Now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our American fighting man.

I would be inclined to support such a thing depending on a lot of the details. [...]

COOPER: So if there was some -- the possibility of some sort of exchange, that's something you would support?

McCAIN: I would support. Obviously I'd have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing him home, and if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider.



Rep. Rich Nugent:



"Last year, on the fourth anniversary of Sgt. Bergdahl's capture, on the floor of the House of Representatives, I introduced a resolution in the House calling on the United States to do everything possible not to leave any members of the armed forces behind during the drawdown of Iraq and Afghanistan. Believe it or not, I had members of Congress come up to me and say, 'I didn't know we had a living POW in Afghanistan.' That was shocking to me,"



And others: "In April, Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Bob Casey (D-Pa.), along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), introduced a resolution "to express the sense of the Senate that no member of the armed forces who is missing in action or captured should be left behind.'"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/bowe-bergdahl-release_n_5439644.html

Its such hypocritical horseshit for the knuckle-draggers on this board, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Why did he become a deserter when he was recovered, but not when he was being used to bitch about the President not bringing him home?
 
I thought he became a deserter when it became clear he actually deserted which was after we had gotten him back. Maybe I'm off on the timeline though.
 
ImTheCaptain said:
fine, i understand people might feel that way. it just seems hypocritical.



disaffected/demoralized 20 yo walks off from desert post and gets captured = traitor deserving of torture and abandonment

congressmen actively working to undermine their own government's diplomacy = patriots



i'd love to chat about how bengazi was nothing at all like bowe, but you refuse to discuss it like a man.

you never answered my question: if Stevens had been captured and held as a POW, do you honestly think the Obama admin. would have refused to negotiate for his release or authorize a mission to rescue him?
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Forgive me, I'm not used to having my manhood challenge by people that think soccer is a sport. I may need a minute to compose myself.

Benghazi is proof that dv7 is talking out of his ass again (although with all of the usual bluster we've all come to know and love): the State Department left those guys behind. If they were living, they would be the living embodiment of a rather glaring and recent exception to The dv7 Doctrine. That's the entirety of my point: we've done a lot worse for more deserving people than Bowe Bergdahl. If you'd like to debate something else, we should probably do that on the proper thread.

As it pertains to this thread, the Admin was looking for ways to empty GTMO, and the Berghdahl Exchange proved a good enough reason (one they didnt think very far through, since they immediately tried to cover their fail with the knee-jerk "honor and distinction" canard). They tend to panic and make up things when caught flat-footed.
 
jhmd2000 said:
Forgive me, I'm not used to having my manhood challenge by people that think soccer is a sport. I may need a minute to compose myself.

Benghazi is proof that dv7 is talking out of his ass again (although with all of the usual bluster we've all come to know and love): the State Department left those guys behind. If they were living, they would be the living embodiment of a rather glaring and recent exception to The dv7 Doctrine. That's the entirety of my point: we've done a lot worse for more deserving people than Bowe Bergdahl. If you'd like to debate something else, we should probably do that on the proper thread.

As it pertains to this thread, the Admin was looking for ways to empty GTMO, and the Berghdahl Exchange proved a good enough reason (one they didnt think very far through, since they immediately tried to cover their fail with the knee-jerk "honor and distinction" canard). They tend to panic and make up things when caught flat-footed.
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meh, im tired of this stupid particular poli-football. you and dv7 can arm wrestle about it from here.

complain about obama's drone policy if you really want to be serious about foreign policy fails
 
Deacon923 said:
Hulka's latest truth bomb kind of exploded on his foot.
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Not really. Politicians disagreeing with my position kind of makes me feel good. also, I assume the DOD would have known he was a POS after talking to his platoon.

What is funny is the people trying to polish this turd.
 
Sgt Hulka said:
Not really. Politicians disagreeing with my position kind of makes me feel good. also, I assume the DOD would have known he was a POS after talking to his platoon.

What is funny is the people trying to polish this turd.
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If this is a turd, what do you call using foreign intelligence to undermine the efforts of your own government?
 
WFFaithful said:
If this is a turd, what do you call using foreign intelligence to undermine the efforts of your own government?
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Upholding and defending of the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, (both) foreign and domestic?
 
Bold answer since it requires not following the Constitution to uphold it. I'd love to see that defense.
 
WFFaithful said:
If this is a turd, what do you call using foreign intelligence to undermine the efforts of your own government?
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I think you misunderstand the Mosad and the apparent power of the pubs in congress. I really don't think they have the ability to direct the Mosad. When you say "undermining" the government, you actually mean the executive branch and since many from the Presidnets party are on board with this 'undermining.' it would not be accurate to say "government."

However, I don't expect much from this place.
 
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Wakeforest22890 said:
I thought he became a deserter when it became clear he actually deserted which was after we had gotten him back. Maybe I'm off on the timeline though.
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Right. Republicans are arguing that after we had gotten him back, Obama screwed up by not leaving him there.
 
PhDeac said:
Right. Republicans are arguing that after we had gotten him back, Obama screwed up by not leaving him there.
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Again, this is wrong. What (not just pubs are saying) is that we knew he was a deserter by talking to his platoon and we should not have given up so much for so little. Not hard to understand, unless you are looking at it through a political lens.

And now this is venturing into too much idiocy. If you can not understand that you don't trade a traitor for generals, then all is lost. He didn't want to be on our side anyway.

Anyone that supports this is a political hack.



good luck.
 
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So why were Republicans complaining that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to get him back?
 
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