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Ongoing gun violence/injury thread

The thing that scares me the most is that we will get so desensitized to these shootings that we stop being outraged by them. No matter what the NRA says, we don't have to just accept this as part of our society

too late. if we as a society don't care enough after a bunch of children get slaughtered we sure as shit aren't going to care about all the other times people get slaughtered.
 
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And gun laws only keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizen....


Another highlight from the article:

"A report published by the FBI last year, studying active shooting situations between 2000 and 2013, found that these kinds of incidents were happening more and more recently. The first seven years of the study found an average of 6.4 active shootings per year, while the last seven years of the study found that number jumped up to 16.4 incidents per year."

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And there's the desensitization...
 
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What is the y-axis on that 1982-2012 chart? Simply the number of shooters?
 
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What is the y-axis on that 1982-2012 chart? Simply the number of shooters?

"Mother Jones tracked and mapped shooting sprees over the three decades from 1982 to May of last year. They counted "at least 61 mass murders carried out with firearms across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii," they found."

I'm assuming the number of mass killings is the y-axis.
 
Buy a gun ladies and gentlemen. There have been 203 mass shootings this year in the USA.

The Mother Jones numbers don't square with this. The definition of "mass shootings" unclear.
 
The Mother Jones numbers don't square with this. The definition of "mass shootings" unclear.

One is shootings that killed four or more people, the other is shootings with four or more victims, including people who were shot but didn't die.
 
The Mother Jones numbers don't square with this. The definition of "mass shootings" unclear.

"The report excludes those for whom terrorist ideology or criminal profit was a motivation. The Mother Jones staff limited themselves to indiscriminate killings of at least four people in public places by lone shooters."
 
In Iraq, he raided insurgents. In Virginia, the police raided him, all because of a mistake. Of course, apologies were not forthcoming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...114e54-2b02-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html

Seems like we've seen a lot of examples of this rhetoric from former servicemen. Need it more from current law enforcement.

Domestic police forces would benefit from a similar change in strategy. Instead of relying on aggression, they should rely more on relationships. Rather than responding to a squatter call with guns raised, they should knock on the door and extend a hand. But unfortunately, my encounter with officers is just one in a stream of recent examples of police placing their own safety ahead of those they’re sworn to serve and protect.

Rhoads, the Fairfax County police lieutenant, was upfront about this mind-set. He explained that it was standard procedure to point guns at suspects in many cases to protect the lives of police officers. Their firearm rules were different from mine; they aimed not to kill but to intimidate. According to reporting by The Washington Post, those rules are established in police training, which often emphasizes a violent response over deescalation. Recruits spend an average of eight hours learning how to neutralize tense situations; they spend more than seven times as many hours at the weapons range.

Of course, officers’ safety is vital, and they’re entitled to defend themselves and the communities they serve. But they’re failing to see the connection between their aggressive postures and the hostility they’ve encountered in Ferguson, Mo., Baltimore and other communities. When you level assault rifles at protesters, you create animosity. When you kill an unarmed man on his own property while his hands are raised — as Fairfax County police did in 2013 — you sow distrust. And when you threaten to Taser a woman during a routine traffic stop (as happened to 28-year-old Sandra Bland, who died in a Texas jail this month), you cultivate a fear of police. This makes policing more dangerous for everyone.

I understood the risks of war when I enlisted as an infantryman. Police officers should understand the risks in their jobs when they enroll in the academy, as well. That means knowing that personal safety can’t always come first. That is why it’s service. That’s why it’s sacrifice.
 
Actually, the victim followed the shooter to the shooter's home to "kick his ass" after a road rage incident and was subsequently shot and killed. Probably not a good idea to follow someone home to "kick his ass". Sad, but the victim was foolish in following anyone home after an altercation on a road.
 
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Actually, the victim followed the shooter to the shooter's home to "kick his ass" after a road rage incident and was subsequently shot and killed. Probably not a good idea to follow someone home to "kick his ass". Sad, but the victim was foolish in following anyone home after an altercation on a road.

Yeah. That looks like a clear self-defense.

It's a poorly written article. It didn't explain that dude's family was in the car.
 
I'm not sure I buy that it's clear self-defense when three of the five shots were to the back. I'm also not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a person that will point a gun at a child.
 
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