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ChrisL68 said:
My nephew is a cop. He has great stories about people who pull that sovereign citizen free inhabitant nonsense. They end up getting arrested for their utter stupidity.
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Yeah my wife is a prosecutor and has some great stories about their defenses. The scariest part is how many of them there seems to be.
 
PhDeac said:
http://www.vice.com/read/virgil-texas-white-power-facebook-group-troll
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So should this guy be charged with Hate Crimes? From the FBI's definition: "Congress has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.”
Clearly hijacking their website would be a criminal offense. And it appears to be motivated by his bias against their religion and/or sexual orientation. Rack him up!
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
So should this guy be charged with Hate Crimes? From the FBI's definition: "Congress has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.”
Clearly hijacking their website would be a criminal offense. And it appears to be motivated by his bias against their religion and/or sexual orientation. Rack him up!
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Which religion would that be?
 
Maybe I missed something. He joined a group, gained their trust, and pranked them. Where is the crime?
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Whatever religion that forms their beliefs. You could probably add ethnic origin to the claims as well, given his decision to invoke the Israeli flag on their behalf.
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Add gender because Michelle Obama.

He was making fun of their politics, 2&2. Because of their politics, they hate gay and Jewish people and Michelle Obama.
 
PhDeac said:
Maybe I missed something. He joined a group, gained their trust, and pranked them. Where is the crime?
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He admits to fraudulently changing their banners and pictures:

"The group's creator had no idea how to lock the banner image at the top of the page, so friends of mine added their own. ...All of these shenanigans were too much to keep up with for the group's lone, overworked admin, who did not seem to know how to stop the banner from changing or ban the trolls, whose numbers were starting to rival those of the Rebels. So, in the style of Shock Doctrine, I swooped in and offered to clean up this manufactured crisis. The hapless admin fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Once I was in charge of the group I decided to take it in a new direction. The Confederate flag, I felt, had become a toxic brand. And all this South-rising-again business was a sure loser with swing voters. A top-down rebranding was in order. After rigorous focus-group testing, I decided to align the group with LGBT rights, Michelle Obama, Judaism, miscegenation, and the victorious Juche ideology. And that is how "confederate pride, heritage not hate" became "LGBT Southerners for Michelle Obama and Judaism."
 
PhDeac said:
Add gender because Michelle Obama.

He was making fun of their politics, 2&2. Because of their politics, they hate gay and Jewish people and Michelle Obama.
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I understand his intent. But they did not commit any crimes in furtherance of their politics (at least not any relevant here) regardless of what they hate. He, on the other hand, did commit crimes in furtherance of his hatred of them.
 
Let me put it another way ... if a Klansman joined the NAACP's social media outlet, gained their trust, and when they weren't looking hijacked their site and posted KKK rhetoric all over it, that would be a hate crime, correct? This is the exact same thing, it is just that the particular hate in question (hatred of non-accepting people) is currently more socially acceptable.
 
So 2&2 doesn't understand how Facebook groups work.

They joined a group they were invited to, changed the banner (which every member could do), and then were given access to the entire page by the administrator. They didn't hack anything.
 
RChildress107 said:
So 2&2 doesn't understand how Facebook groups work.

They joined a group they were invited to, changed the banner (which every member could do), and then were given access to the entire page by the administrator. They didn't hack anything.
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Gotcha. So if somebody gives me their social security number to use for a legit purpose, I have free reign over it after that, right? Please feel free to send me yours.
 
2&2 Slider To Leyritz said:
Let me put it another way ... if a Klansman joined the NAACP's social media outlet, gained their trust, and when they weren't looking hijacked their site and posted KKK rhetoric all over it, that would be a hate crime, correct? This is the exact same thing, it is just that the particular hate in question (hatred of non-accepting people) is currently more socially acceptable.
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Probably not, because it wouldn't be a crime in the first place.
 
RChildress107 said:
Are you trying to say that at administrator has ownership over a Facebook group? Do you have a Facebook account?
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No, I am saying that the Facebook account has been held by a court of law to be the identity of its publisher. If someone hijacks that identity, then that is identity theft. The same way that if one of WalMart's IT vendors, who has permissive use to that site, went onto WalMart's website and plastered it with Target logos, that would be identity theft.
 
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